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"We need to be clear here, graffiti is a crime "

DrRingDing said:
I never knew Brixton had a Young Conservative group.

*yawns*

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"High quality graffiti" injecting "positive life" into rundown areas? Oh, do cock off.
 
DrRingDing said:
A horizontal free association of people in the community who give a toss, being allocated a small amount of resources to deal with the aesthetics of the area.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

How old are you?
 
Sorry to backtrack a little, but how does not liking:

a) graffiti in general
b) Banksy in particular

make me a Tory? Wouldn't want to think you were going for ad hominems because no fucker agrees with you...
 
Dubversion said:
but that's what the article's about and seemed to be the point you were making. I stated really fucking clearly that i don't have a problem per se with graff

You missed the point by a country mile.

But then what's new :D

Council officials have the power to selectively enforce regulations as they see fit. They don't have to act on every infringement they see.

Where there's a lot of evidence that the offending graffiti is from a popular artist whose art has been fetching thousands at auction, is this not some indication that it has value - that it has merit?

To get rid of it under the banner of consistency demonstrates a hugely depressing lack of vision. It is also misleading.
 
DapperDonDamaja said:
Where there's a lot of evidence that the offending graffiti is from a popular artist whose art has been fetching thousands at auction, is this not some indication that it has value - that it has merit?
Just because one exceptional graffiti artist can command big moolah for their work, it doesn't automatically follow that the scribbled 'art' of 'TOX07' or whoever has any perceived value, or indeed, merit.

Some graffiti looks great, quite a lot looks shit, but barely any of it has any monetary value.

Getting rid of the banksy graffiti is fucking stupid, mind.
 
DapperDonDamaja said:
Council officials have the power to selectively enforce regulations as they see fit. They don't have to act on every infringement they see.

No, but you'd need a pretty compelling reason to make such an obvious exception. "Some people like Banksy" isn't one.

DapperDonDamaja said:
Where there's a lot of evidence that the offending graffiti is from a popular artist whose art has been fetching thousands at auction, is this not some indication that it has value - that it has merit?

Not even slightly. As I said earlier, I can't fucking stand Banksy, but that's not the point. Who decides if it has merit? The market?
 
DrRingDing said:
Putting your own tastes above the community's?
Isn't that exactly what most graffiti artists are doing?:confused:

I don't remember being asked by anyone before someone put some graffiti on the wall a couple of doors down from where I live. :mad:
 
DrRingDing said:
Putting your own tastes above the community's?
Exactly how do you gauge the community's supposed 'appreciation' of graffiti art?

Do you think that the vast majority of people in communities are actually in favour of kids spray painting over their walls and bridges?
 
DrRingDing said:
'Brixtonvilla' never registered on my radar before.

*Where shall I file this critter?*

I. should. give. a. fuck. You registered on mine as a retard a long time ago.

*puts retard on ignore* When you say anything suitably twatty, no doubt someone will quote you while they rip your twatty student-lefty opinions to shit. Personally, I can't be arsed.
 
editor said:
Exactly how do you gauge the community's supposed 'appreciation' of graffiti art?

Do you think that the vast majority of people in communities are actually in favour of kids spray painting over their walls and bridges?

Depends how it's done really. It's a shame that according to you there's fuck all decent stuff near you but in Easton, Montpellier and St Pauls there's simply oceans of good quality, witty and thought provoking murals, some by Banksy, most not.

Nobody complains about them because they brighten up our suburbs.
 
LDR said:
Isn't that exactly what most graffiti artists are doing?:confused:

I don't remember being asked by anyone before someone put some graffiti on the wall a couple of doors down from where I live. :mad:
And I bet they never tag the walls of their parents' houses, probably get a kick up their arses.

The most interesting tagging I have seen is on the shop shutters on Stokie High Street.
 
brixtonvilla said:
I. should. give. a. fuck. You registered on mine as a retard a long time ago.

*puts retard on ignore* When you say anything suitably twatty, no doubt someone will quote you while they rip your twatty student-lefty opinions to shit. Personally, I can't be arsed.

And you asked how old I was! :D
 
JTG said:
Depends how it's done really. It's a shame that according to you there's fuck all decent stuff near you....
There really isn't, least none that I've seen.

Round here, it's all shit, artless, egotistical tagging which amounts to nothing less than vandalism.
 
editor said:
Do you think that the vast majority of people in communities are actually in favour of kids spray painting over their walls and bridges?

I think that is down to what is sprayed and what community it's in.
 
brixtonvilla said:
No, but you'd need a pretty compelling reason to make such an obvious exception. "Some people like Banksy" isn't one.

Maybe the neighbourhood really liked the graffiti. I didn't see any mention of them having been consulted, but the article does mention a Bristol community which voted by a 97% majority to keep their Banksy.

brixtonvilla said:
Not even slightly. As I said earlier, I can't fucking stand Banksy, but that's not the point. Who decides if it has merit? The market?

Why not? You think it's completely insignificant that people are willing to sacrifice the equivalent of a small flat on a Banksy? That Wall and Peace is 944 on the Amazon bestsellers list? For someone who's so disparaging about the market, I think you'd find yourself surprised by the correlation between the art that you value, and the art that markets value.
 
DrRingDing said:
I think that is down to what is sprayed and what community it's in.
I'm on about the general, run of the mill, not particularly good graffiti. The sort of shite that can usually be found on the side of railway stonework, underpasses, bus stops and the like.

Occasionally some is inspired, witty, attractive and a worthy addition to the area, but - let's be honest - most falls way short of that and I doubt if it's particularly enjoyed by anyone outside of the graffiti demographic.

I doubt if old people anywhere are particularly fond of graffiti, to be honest, unless it's truly unexceptional (which the vast majority clearly isn't, sadly).
 
editor said:
There really isn't, least none that I've seen.

Round here, it's all shit, artless, egotistical tagging which amounts to nothing less than vandalism.

shame that

round here it seems to be positively encouraged as long as it's worth keeping. most of it is.
 
JTG said:
shame that

round here it seems to be positively encouraged as long as it's worth keeping. most of it is.
I can see a fair bit of really shit tagging/graf from my window. It's an eyesore. I'd rather look at a plain brick wall than some scrote's artless, scribbled self-bigging-up, to be honest.
 
editor said:
I'm on about the general, run of the mill, not particularly good graffiti. The sort of shite that can usually be found on the side of railway stonework, underpasses, bus stops and the like.

I'm sure the kids doing this would like to improve and share their skills. Give em space to practice and meet.

This may well improve the standard of graffiti overall in the area.

If someone had sprayed an impressive piece on one wall many people would feel a twat doing a lousy tag next to it.
 
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