We make our own reality
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revol68 said:
Quite often it requires changing your belief system. A paradigm shift in mentality that is often too great for a lot of people.
Hardly surprising since a belief system is based on a person's "reality" . Reality is based on perception. People don't seem to realize that reality and a perception of reality may often not be in alignment.
revol68 said:
Yes you are! What is this, practising masochism? Why contribute to what you say is embarrassing?
In any event, addressing your contribution here, firstly philosophy after a certain threshhold is passed is no more than hot air. It's merely a rung leading to a place further up the ladder of the 'meaning of life', so i hope you're not bogged down on what philosophy should be.
Secondly you seem a bit muddled by the concept of change. Quite simply a person can only change themselves, no-one else can do it for them. Futhermore you cannot change anyone else.
NoEgo said:
Yes.
Clearly from this we can see that if we take responsibility for our own reality, controlling and being in charge of our reactions to all incoming stimuli, then we attain freedom and the fruits it bears.
That freedom is impinged upon no sooner than we give responsibility for our actions or words to others. Being shackled to past and all its influences on us is a major freedom-remover. In fact it sucks all the lifeforce out of us.
Forget the past, fuck the future, gimme now. I want now.
revol68
what, fucking what?
fela fan said:
yeah, cos like your subjectivity fell from the fucking sky, your desires, needs and means of achieving them are all the product of your soveriegn being?
Fuck me pink, it's like if Sartre had been a third rate motivational speaker.
Your correct I shouldn't have said this thread is an embarrassment, I should have said you were.
.r.u.i.n.e.d
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kyser_soze said:
But suppose the sound was a melody. The physical description of the 'melody' is
quite different from the personal description of the melody when someone actually hears it, and in fact the physical description can't really include some of thei things that the personal description would include, so presumably, the mental sound, is not the same as the physical "sound".
But I take your point that if you recorded the melody, it would still appear as a melody, . to you, when you listened back to the recording, but, that doesn't seem like a winning argument, all that shows, is that the melody manifested once you listened to it, not that it manifested when it was recorded.
Really, there isn't exactly a right and wrong viewpoint on this question, but maybe that clarifies what the issue is.
And how did this discrepancy between physical reality and subjective reality evolve? And what for? This seems like a related question.
Why did the dinosaurs grow wings?
To be fair fela, I used to think I was reaching some kind of spiritual form or other with bodged visualizations and meditation. So much so that, I became convinced that I had gained magic abilities 
Why not just stick with Buddhism. Imho, if there is anything more than waffle in these sort of things (convincing yourself you are x y or z) then its more likely that the stuff with 1000s of years of history behind it has it right.
Not that I do believe in that sort of stuff anymore!
Why not just stick with Buddhism. Imho, if there is anything more than waffle in these sort of things (convincing yourself you are x y or z) then its more likely that the stuff with 1000s of years of history behind it has it right.
Not that I do believe in that sort of stuff anymore!
118118 said:To be fair fela, I used to think I was reaching some kind of spiritual form or other with bodged visualizations and meditation. So much so that, I became convinced that I had gained magic abilities
Why not just stick with Buddhism. Imho, if there is anything more than waffle in these sort of things (convincing yourself you are x y or z) then its more likely that the stuff with 1000s of years of history behind it has it right.
Not that I do believe in that sort of stuff anymore!
Hey, but wait on a minute mate. Stick with buddhism??? That is succumbing to someone else's reality! I'll just stick with mine thanks mate.
I don't think no more, and i don't believe no more. I just am.
Now that's reality!
118118 said:DANGEROUSLY out of touch with reality, there
Not sure what you are saying: that there is no such thing as an objective state of affairs, so whynot just be happy?
Happy? Now that is just the reality.
Objectivity is the refuge of the thinkers.
Meanwhile just aim for that happy feeling... coz reality dictates that subjectivity rules man...
I get what your saying, but ime its horribly unproductive to aim for the happy feeling all the time. Not that I can anymore 
It was a fun 6 months lying in bed visualizing buddhas and gold coins everywhere, though.
Eta: and eventually you'll be so out of touch with what other people think is real, you'll do something foolish: like pick a fight with someone, eat a curry that is far too hot for you etc etc.
It was a fun 6 months lying in bed visualizing buddhas and gold coins everywhere, though.Eta: and eventually you'll be so out of touch with what other people think is real, you'll do something foolish: like pick a fight with someone, eat a curry that is far too hot for you etc etc.
118118 said:I get what your saying, but ime its horribly unproductive to aim for the happy feeling all the time. Not that I can anymore
Eta: and eventually you'll be so out of touch with what other people think is real, you'll do something foolish: like pick a fight with someone, eat a curry that is far too hot for you etc etc.
Yeah, but the irony is that it should not be the aim, it should just happen. And can only do so based on certain conditions being put in place. Trying gets in the way of doing or being. And i'd say not happy per se, rather an inner contentment with the current moment.
I get what you say about becoming out of touch with other people, and it's a pity that that can be a side effect. I think it's a question of adapting and being somewhat more circumspect in what one says or does.
Inner contentment is a reality available to all, but i think it means being responsible for one's own reality, and absolutely not letting anyone else make it for you.
[one result of which is to kick those murderous lying politicians out of your life and assume everything they say is a lie, and work downwards from there.]
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
forked brain said:Do you have any proof for that, I'd be interested to read it
put a tape recorder by the tree?
weltweit said:
I have to say it is somewhat ironical that you have used a politician's words as to what reality is! They are the worst at twisting reality away from truth. They make the reality of so many people on this planet, and it's not a pretty reality.
On second thoughts, he may have been right if he was talking about politicians. They are the first to succumb to the temptations of power, and accordingly fuck things up for everybody else too.
Unless we resist by refusing their reality and creating our own.
Johnny Canuck3
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Shippou-Sensei
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reality is what we exist in if one belives that reality exists
if one belives that there is nought bu what we interpret then there is no point to reality for it can only be expirienced by one
personaly i belive we a re entities of a biological natrue existing in a physical enviroment
but others may disagre
if one belives that there is nought bu what we interpret then there is no point to reality for it can only be expirienced by one
personaly i belive we a re entities of a biological natrue existing in a physical enviroment
but others may disagre
weltweit
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Jonti said:This reminds me of the "revolution in the head, not on the streets" argument. Of course you must have both. It's a dialectic
"revolution in head .. " can you explain? not a philosopher here, also what is a dialectic no my dictionary has that .. erm quite clearly (not really) ..
I like "we mould our dwellings and then our dwellings mould us" but then I think about it and look around at my dwelling .. and well .. I guess my reality is a bit untidy :-/
Jonti said:I stopped believing in people who create their own reality. They don't exist im my reality
yes people with different beliefs can appear to live on an altogether different planet .. better to banish them by the power of thought
weltweit
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I think that in some ways we do mould our own realities and we know as we do that that they are both imperfect and incomplete and that others will not believe in them as we do, belief or not in God for example, but how about we do actually describe some realities, either our own or realities that we think others may have and then we can actually see if or how people make their own or not.
Anyone want to give that a try?
Anyone want to give that a try?
.r.u.i.n.e.d
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As far as I can tell, we're all subject to each other's judgment, and so, we make our own reality, but it's also made by everyone else's/ And if it's you vs the rest of the world, the minority tends to lose out and have everyone else's reality forced to become their own.
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