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We all hate R n B right?

lightsoutlondon said:
:p

I know. Slayer cover more than "Oo, Baby, baby...".

Arse. Bollocks. Lowest common denominator. RnB - a sign of the times in which we live...
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LoL - i love you like the brother i'm glad i never had, but you're full of shit on this.

to dismiss an entire genre for being lowest common denominator pap for schoolkids whilst listening to Judas Priest and Slayer is just absolute wank. I mean, i love slayer but i wouldn't make any great claims for it. It's dumb music - pretty much intentionally so.
 
Iam said:
In fairness, those bands sell about 4 LPs a year mostly, and several of those are to you...

:p ;) :D
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Now now, that's a bit unfair.
Greg Ginn has long referred to the Husker Du back catalogue as his "pension fund", on account of the steady high rate of sales. :)
 
Most r'n'b sounds like wooing music to me, playground wooing. If I want to hear some fella whispering sweet nothings into my ear whilst posing with his shirt off I'd rather go to a gay bar.

It's infectious though, init - the way kids on the street dance right up in your face when they're playing it out of their little mp3s. That's what I want. Thanks, kids. Now get out of my way, and no I don't have a cigarette, and no I'm not giving you my phone.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Now now, that's a bit unfair.
Greg Ginn has long referred to the Husker Du back catalogue as his "pension fund", on account of the steady high rate of sales. :)
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a) It was a joke :D
b) Husker Du still have a relevance today, imo. Judas Priest haven't been close to relevant in 20 years.
 
Interesting read.

Imo a lot of popular RnB sounds cheap - plastic beats, cheap lyrics about sex, a complete lack of musical magic at any musical juncture.

But I completely agree with Boogie Boy that the good stuff is on a different scene altogether and if you're not up on that, you miss it. I miss it personally! Used to be bang into it, but these days I am not.
 
**shirt off/waistband of pants showing above tumbledown jeans**

OO, oo, oo baby, baby...OO, oo, oo baby, baby...OO, oo, oo baby, baby...OO, oo, oo baby, baby...erm...OO, oo, oo baby, baby...OO, oo, oo baby, baby...

I'm off to play Reign in Blood. Just remember - God hates you all... :D
 
Iam said:
a) It was a joke :D
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I know. :)
b) Husker Du still have a relevance today, imo. Judas Priest haven't been close to relevant in 20 years.
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I'm sure "ver Priest" are still relevant to some people.
people who wet the bed; people who foam and froth at the mouth when talking; angst-ridden teenage boys too uncool to even be emo; lightsoutlondon.

I'm sure you get the picture. :D
 
ViolentPanda said:
I know. :)

I'm sure "ver Priest" are still relevant to some people.
people who wet the bed; people who foam and froth at the mouth when talking; angst-ridden teenage boys too uncool to even be emo; lightsoutlondon.

I'm sure you get the picture. :D
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I'm hurt. I really fucking am. :D

Metal was never fashionable even when it was, erm, "fashionable". First gig I went to was Priest (1979), first album I owned was Priest (Killing Machine) and that led me to exploring other aggressive guitar music - metal indeed but also da Flag and the other US (mostly) punk/hardcore/SXE bands I ramble on about. Judas Priest enriched my life. **shrugs** That's just how it was.

I haven't wet the bed since that lawyer chick asked me to piss on her... :p

All! Fear! The Sentinel... :cool:
 
Harold Hill said:
I do know Soul Brother - there is a shop down the road from me called crazy Beat which tends to operate the same modus operandi.

In the 80s you used to get Loose Ends, Joyce Sims & Soul II Soul (and even Chas jankel) topping the Billboard R&B charts. Even without US success, there was a buzz around people like Total Contrast that I don't really see with anyone today.

And of the alternatives, there doesn't seem to be much more than background music for bars - nothing that grabs me by the balls.

Nowadays any decent soul vocalist in the UK has to sing over Hed Kandi type records to pay the bills or turn into a cruise ship style crooner like Lemar. Shaun Escoffrey and Terri Walker could and should be stars if Lemar and Amy Winehouse are but when push comes to shove, most of their output just hasn't cut the mustard. And there hasn't been the support there when they have.

Seems to be a Europe wide thing too. Can probably count on one hand the amount of R&B stars from mainland Europe or Australia ever, let alone the last 20 years. Strange as hip hop/house hasn't really had the same trouble.
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You are very lucky to be so close to 'Crazy Beat', it is a place that I can't visit too often as it can be very easy to spend lots of money in there. But you do find some fantastic records there, and Gary Dennis is someone who really knows his stuff and helps customers without being patronising or smug. I finally managed to find a copy of 'The Morning After' by Curtis Hairston in there on 12", a record that had evaded me for many years except in really poor condition or with writing on the label.

There is some good music being made, but you just have to move beyond the pop charts to find it. MTV Base have also played a role in continually exposing their viewers to the lowest common denominator in black music - Trevor (the 'Mad Hatter') Nelson should be ashamed.

But I'm willing to put some stuff together for you, just to see if I can point you in the direction of some music that you might like?

BB:)
 
Always. We used to have Soul City in Essex but the sold out to be a pop station. And they got rid of Trevs night show on radio 1 and Ronnie Herel and others can be a bit hit and miss.

Now if you know somewhere that plays grime free mid tempo stuff (even if it's gospel or R Kelly cheesy) in with a few slowies, I'd be happy to hear it.
 
Cheesy he may be at times, but R Kelly is at times touched by genius. His work on Aaliyah's first album and the almighty "Ignition (Remix)" are testamount to this.

Buggered if up thread I managed to forget Rodney Jerkins in my producer lists. He's very good, and is probably best known for his work with Destiny's Child. He also did Brandy and Monica's superb "The Boy Is Mine".

Christina Aguilera's done some great RnB tunes too, most notably "Dirrty" and "Ain't No Other Man".

I think ultimately it's a genre most suited to the single, whereas I would imagine a lot of us have been bred on album packages. From my perspective, a lot of RnB albums I've bought haven't had the cohesion or continuity because the record companies and management, trying to appeal to as broad an audience as possible, employ as many different styles of producer as possible. When albums do work, such as with Aaliyah and Kelis' debut, they've been as a project with just one production team, so there is a definite sound to the record.
 
Yeah ballads are a different matter a lot of the time. There are exceptions of course, like a lot of Aaliyah's. My favourite slow jam of late is Ciara - Get Up (Polow Remix)
 
i like a fair bit of rnb. Bit of jodeci, mary j blige and genuine can be a good thing and i'm loving akon at the minute.

The problem with rnb is that destinys child get called rnb and that tends to fuck everything up. A bit of gospel based crooning though is all good.


dave
 
i think it mutates and changes more than 90% of other types of music, its always pushing things forward. Not as nostalgic/ retro as other genres can be and it has the best producers i reckon
 
kained&able said:
The problem with rnb is that destinys child get called rnb and that tends to fuck everything up. A bit of gospel based crooning though is all good.


dave
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Eh? It's all that Beyonce's fault innit

What the hell are you on about?
 
for fucks sake people. im not blaming destinys child merely ointing out that a hell of a lot of current pop music gets lumbered in with rnb which isn't helpful in the slightest.

and destinys child are pop, or possibly a girl group. They are not rnb though. same with ashanti and all the other people i can't be arsed to name.


dave
 
no tlc i might allow as one of the few rnb girl groups but destinys child never! Apart from anything else they are agenerally a bit fast for rnb surely?


dave
 
of course it isn't dub. whenever you say anything its gospel truth and whenever i say anything its wrong to an olympic level. i keep forgetting these things.

and bolocks are destinys child rnb. They are a girl group a pop girl group. yes they may take a lot from rnb and gospel but they ain't en vogue, they are too fast and its just not usful calling them rnb as they have more in common to girls aloud/ all saints/ whover then mary j blige.


dave
 
got nothing to do with whether i say it, dave. it's just a fact.

you seem to think that a) r&b is by its nature slow. this isn't the case and that b) Destiny's Child only did fast songs. This isn't true either.

give it up :D
 
i cAN'T THINK OF MANY(DAnm this caps lock key i keep hitting it randomly) fast rnb songs to be honest certainly nothing on the bootlicious/survior kind of tempo. im sure there are many but i always think of rnb being slow.

and ummm singles wise i can only think of one maybe two slowdestinys child songs and i bet one was for xmas.

If good charlote are not punk then destinys child are not rnb. we need a pop rnb sub genre i reckon.

If someone sAID OH YEAH I WELL LIKE MY RNB LIKE DESTINTS CHILD I WOULD THINK THEY ARE MORONS. IF THEY SAID I LIKE USHER I WOULD ALLOW IT. tHEREFORE DESTINYS CHILD ARE NOT RNB.

OH AND I NEVER GIVE UP DUB I THOUGHT YOU'D AT LEAST RELIASED THAT BY NOW.

EDIT: OH YEAH and the timberland/nelly furtardo/ justin timberlake song is a diss too scott stroch not kanye west. by the way.


DAVE
 
kained&able said:
i cAN'T THINK OF MANY(DAnm this caps lock key i keep hitting it randomly) fast rnb songs to be honest certainly nothing on the bootlicious/survior kind of tempo. im sure there are many but i always think of rnb being slow.

and ummm singles wise i can only think of one maybe two slowdestinys child songs and i bet one was for xmas.

If good charlote are not punk then destinys child are not rnb. we need a pop rnb sub genre i reckon.

If someone sAID OH YEAH I WELL LIKE MY RNB LIKE DESTINTS CHILD I WOULD THINK THEY ARE MORONS. IF THEY SAID I LIKE USHER I WOULD ALLOW IT. tHEREFORE DESTINYS CHILD ARE NOT RNB.

OH AND I NEVER GIVE UP DUB I THOUGHT YOU'D AT LEAST RELIASED THAT BY NOW.

EDIT: OH YEAH and the timberland/nelly furtardo/ justin timberlake song is a diss too scott stroch not kanye west. by the way.


DAVE
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Why does rnb have to be slow? Original rnb is pretty livelty
 
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