Wayne Rooney - cnut

[Biffo]

He has to expect stick after that though.

And "murder"?

 

[zed]

The OP needs to get a life if he dislikes what Rooney has (or hasn't) done so much he wants to actually kill him.

 

[Athos]

The premier league is the only thing he hasn't won there, that's hardly mediocre.

Actually, the only medal he's got is for the League Cup. He's not won the Premiership, FA Cup, UEFA Cup, Champions Leage, European Championship or World Cup.

 

[sleaterkinney]

a) their are different levels of meaning inherent in everything we write, I didn't choose to read anything in what you wrote deliberately, I have no beef with you or anything.

Nor me with you.

b) but, he could still get a higher level of pressure, better team mates at another club. I'm not an Everton fan so not bothered if you want to dig at them. - I maintain, by your logic, Gerrard should move.

He might, he might yet at Liverpool, but Rooney would never have got that at Everton..

c) But the central concept that the best players need to play 'at the highest level' - why would that be any different? Of course the game has changed, but not that much and even if it has changed that much, then it's a level playing field, still doesn't explain why Finney and Matthews were the best, despite playing for clubs that won virtually nowt.

I don't know a helluva lot about football in the 1950's, so I can't comment on Matthews etc. From what clips I've seen it's a different game.

I do not understand why Rooney or anyone else has to be at a 'big' club to be a great player. I understand why HE would go, but not why neutrals (or indeed koppites) would accept the notion that to be great, you have to play for Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd.

It's not like Everton actually do play kick and rush either, or that Moyes' training is fundementally that different from say, Alex Ferguson's. It's not like Moyes is an idiot and gets them to smoke 40 capstan then throw a medicine ball arround, while Fergie is doing martial arts style mental training and reading the players a bit of Sartre.

Am I talking to a brick wall here?. Do you not think the club has any impact on a young players development at all?

I would argue the difference between Everton and Utd is no different than the difference between a mid table team and a title challenging team in 1960's - therefore as great players played in mid table sides then, why not now? If there is a difference, it is that the teams are more entrenched in their roles these days and the more stars that leave teams like Everton the more stagnant the league will be - why defend that?

Going on your profile, you weren't around then - in fact you're younger than I am, so how would you know what football was like?

Maybe I'm just bitter that Rooney left, as for just 5 minutes I was half interested in the premiership, in a bit of romance and I got a kick out of a kid from Croxteth doing his bit for his hometown club. Maybe I'm just niave and stupid to think that Roony scoring 900 goals for utd will never mean as much as one of his Everton goals, maybe I'm saddened that it's like this now. I just can't work out why anyone would defend 'the way it is'

I think maybe you are a bit niave and are looking at the whole thing with rose-tinted spectacles, If you want romance - http://www.millsandboon.co.uk/

Maybe I am being a bit tough because he was at Everton, I was over the moon for Fowler when he came back..

 

[sleaterkinney]

Actuall, the only medal he's got is for the League Cup. He's not won the Premiership, FA Cup, UEFA Cup, Champions Leage, European Championship or World Cup.

I was talking about Stevie Gerrard.

 

[Athos]

I was talking about Stevie Gerrard.

Sorry. I thought you were talking about Rooney.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

And "murder"?

Has he been murdered?

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

The OP needs to get a life if he dislikes what Rooney has (or hasn't) done so much he wants to actually kill him.

eh?

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I'm ready to kill the greedy fat bloated overrated shrek faced ugly granny fucking hillsborough celebrating cunt.

Oh I see. I apologise to all those who think I was serious. For those that understand common turns of phrase and live in the real world, I apologise for this paragraph.

 

[tangerinedream]

Nor me with you.

that's good then

He might, he might yet at Liverpool, but Rooney would never have got that at Everton..

why not? Everton won the league only about 4 years before you last did, maybe 2, can't remember when you last won it.

I don't know a helluva lot about football in the 1950's, so I can't comment on Matthews etc. From what clips I've seen it's a different game.

Yes and no in my opinion.

Am I talking to a brick wall here?. Do you not think the club has any impact on a young players development at all?

Of course it does, but it's not like Rooney was at Maidstone Borough is it? I honestly don't think going to OT has brought him a VASTLY different level of football, but a slightly better standard. If you look at the whole picture of the game, there is very little difference. I say again, it's not like Everton are training on Formby sands or anything. There isn't a huge difference between Nuno Valente and John O' Shea, or Andy Johnson or Louis Saha. There is obviously A difference, but I don't think it's a vast chasm that would make that much difference to Rooney to be honest and IF you NEED champions league football to develop, then how did he score a hat trick on debut in that competion? - surely if it's so much higher standard, he'd have had to adjust, find his feet and so on.

Going on your profile, you weren't around then - in fact you're younger than I am, so how would you know what football was like?

Fair point. I don't. Only videos, books, histories, talking to fans. I do think there is a higher degree of fitness and physical contact is less, but ultimately it's the same game. I don't see what the rule changes have to do with the reletive difference between teams though. I don't see how that explains why in yesteryear, you could be a great for a middle ranked side. Even recently, I think say, Steve Bull was just as good as he would have been playing anywhere - might not have achieved as much on a medals basis, but his goals were probably more important to the survival of Wolves than anything. Why is that worth less than a European Cup?

I think maybe you are a bit niave and are looking at the whole thing with rose-tinted spectacles, If you want romance - http://www.millsandboon.co.uk/

Maybe I am, but I'd rather do that than turn into someone who actually enjoys the crap that is the pr£mi£rshit's money machine.

Maybe I am being a bit tough because he was at Everton, I was over the moon for Fowler when he came back..

should Fowler have left, rather than play in a succesion of mediocre Houlier/Evans teams? - He could have been one of the greatest strikers of his generation without a doubt.... Same point as Gerrard really!

 

[tangerinedream]

Oh I see. I apologise to all those who think I was serious. For those that understand common turns of phrase and live in the real world, I apologise for this paragraph.

phew...

I'll just ring the police back and tell them everything is alright.

 

[tangerinedream]

I just looked it up

Liverpool 1990 (wasn't this the 29 win season? or was that 88? - Anyway, Wayne Clarke scored the goal where you lost the 30th - why do I know this stuff )

Everton 1987

So neither have won the league for 17 and 20 yrs by the end of the season. I'm not sure why Rooney essentially would NEVER have won the league with Everton if Gerrard has a chance for Liverpool - unless of course you accept the view that the premiership has gone hideously stale and uninteresting, but that's a different thread I suppose.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

phew...

I'll just ring the police back and tell them everything is alright.

Don't worry; it's just redshites.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I just looked it up

Liverpool 1990 (wasn't this the 29 win season? or was that 88? - Anyway, Wayne Clarke scored the goal where you lost the 30th - why do I know this stuff )

Everton 1987

So neither have won the league for 17 and 20 yrs by the end of the season. I'm not sure why Rooney essentially would NEVER have won the league with Everton if Gerrard has a chance for Liverpool - unless of course you accept the view that the premiership has gone hideously stale and uninteresting, but that's a different thread I suppose.

Poor Steven

At least Wayne has youth on his side. SG would've won it this year if he'd had courage.

 

[Biffo]

Don't worry; it's just redshites.

"I'm ready to kill........"

".....asking for murder"

The voice of reason. There speaks the SSG Kid. Gather round and listen to him whine.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

"I'm ready to kill........"

".....asking for murder"

The voice of reason. There speaks the SSG Kid. Gather round and listen to him whine.

You don't think people got angry at Ian Rush when he went to Juve, or Beardsley when he went to Everton etc?

That you took it literally is hilarious.

 

[Biffo]

You don't think people got angry at Ian Rush when he went to Juve, or Beardsley when he went to Everton etc?

That you took it literally is hilarious.

The fact that you think Rooney going to Utd is the same as Beardsley going to Everton is pure fucking gold

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

No, can't see where I said that either. For someone who takes things so literally you don't half read whatever you want in other people's words.

 

[Biffo]

Why bring it up if you weren't making a comparison?

No-one was angry at Beardsley going to Everton because:

A. He was 30 and had given the club excellent service and was deemed surplus to requirements by the manager.
B. He had never said anything silly like "Once a red always a red".

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

"Comparing" Yes

"the same as" No.

You're an idiot aren't you? And you're kidding yourself if people weren't angry at Beardsley.

When someone gets angry at you and says "I'm going to kill you" do you phone the police?

 

[Biffo]

"Comparing" Yes

"the same as" No.

You're an idiot aren't you? And you're kidding yourself if people weren't angry at Beardsley.

When someone gets angry at you and says "I'm going to kill you" do you phone the police?

Classic. Let me re-phrase it so it doesn't upset you.....

Comparing Rooney being sold to Utd with Beardlsey being sold to Everton is the worst fucking comparison I've heard in years. Why would people have been angry when Beardsley was sold to Everton? Ablett went the same way. Not good enough or past their sell by date = sell them to a smaller club. Villa are another beneficiary of this system with Liverpool's players.

It's patently obvious you were not actually harbouring thoughts of murder towards Shrek. The fact you chose to use such words speaks volumes for your impetuous childish outlook. The bottom line is that you are the epitome of the Sky Sports Generation you spend all day vilifying.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

It's patently obvious you were not actually harbouring thoughts of murder towards Shrek. The fact you chose to use such words speaks volumes for your impetuous childish outlook. The bottom line is that you are the epitome of the Sky Sports Generation you spend all day vilifying.

Of course. That must be it. A turn of phrase identifies the Sky Sports generation.

There was me thinking typical things to identify Sky Sports Gen facs were:

* never went to a match before Sky came into existence
* wouldn't be seen dead at a game outside of the premiership
* gloat that they're on a 13 year waiting list for a season ticket
* wear their teams football shirt with the latest big name signing/ funny catchphrase on the back
* watch the world cup and tell everyone how great their club is
* welcome the likes of Abramovich to their club
* gloat about the wealth/ size of their club
* go on about other clubs not able to compete with them (eg, 'why are you a Leyton Orient fan, they're shit?')
* go on and on about ronaldinho
* think the Champions League is the Holy Grail
* Think the pyramid system in the football league is a tactical strategy
* Dismiss any player who hasn't played in the premiership out of hand
* Say 'footie' (ok, that's a turn of phrase, I'll give you that one)
* Announcing a game they've decided to go to three months in advance, talking about their ticket to it, talking about it afterwards, and a year later referring back to said game repeatedly (like Liverpool v Wolves)

But no, it's saying "I'm ready to kill the cunt for doing this...."

 

[STFC]

OK, OK, you've convinced us. You're clearly a real football fan.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

OK, OK, you've convinced us. You're clearly a real football fan.

What's one of them then?

I don't go every week because I play; I'd suggest those that watch Waltham Forest FC are real football fans. Not those that talk about it.

 

[Lad]

"The bottom line is that you are the epitome of the Sky Sports Generation you spend all day vilifying."

Whoarya easeh easeh http://www.heathersanimations.com/football/hats/hat13a.gif