The ones I want wiping my bum are the ones their parents paid for. You don't need to be "hyper-rich" to have kids, you just need a partner in work.
War on single mums
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Nasty bastard aren't you?
Thanks.
This board is like Alice Through the Looking Glass.
Thus, anything seen by posters on here as wrong is automatically right in the real world.
You assume that I have a problem with all benefits.
i would like to know what you think about the ones who can afford to have kids but who force taxpayers to spend millions on IVF?
do you think thats right?
do you think thats right?
Oh, I see. All tax spending/benefits are the same.
At last, a poster who sees it correctly.
Scrap working tax credit. Then employers would have to pay more or have no workers.
I think they were referring to your perfect world of self sufficiency where you don't take from anyone...
Oh i see all single mothers are the same
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Scrapping working tax credit and increasing the minimum wage would avoid high social costs.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
No I was just pointing out that you derive numerous benefits from the same principle that you oppose when it comes to raising children...which seems a little odd...unless you really don't like kids/people on low incomes/both.
Louis MacNeice
It seems that having a mother at home to see their children of to school and see them back from school to make sure they have a proper breakfast and something to eat when they come home is something just for the wealthy.what kind of children will we raise.and your get no sympathy from women politicain who all farm their kids out
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Even if the state does provide universal after school/school holidays childcare so parents can work full time, is that really ideal? Should kids really be in structured, state-controlled environments from 8.30 am to 5.30 pm five days a week for 48 weeks of the year? And if all the parents are working full time as well, who will have the time or the energy left to provide anything resembling an upbringing?
Both my parents worked full time from when I was about five and so I spent vast amounts of time with childminders and in organised childcare, I fucking hated it
Both my parents worked full time from when I was about five and so I spent vast amounts of time with childminders and in organised childcare, I fucking hated it
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Why just 'a mother', women? Where's the father, men in all this?
scifisam
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The title should read single fathers perhaps, as they'll be affected too. Though they're not the ones we see in the headlines, the ones decried as feckless, so maybe they're not the ones this policy is about, even though they are affected.
When this was originally proposed, I thought it wasn't so bad, because seven isn't so young really. Now my daughter's nearly ten and still needs a lot of care, and I've seen what it's like for some secondary school kids when both parents work full-time, I don't think it's a good idea at all. I wouldn't go to work full-time right now (I work part-time), and if it were a choice between full-time work and benefits, I'd take benefits. In some areas, and in some industries, that is the choice on offer; part-time work is not that easy to find.
After all, if a parent of a seven-year-old wants to work, and can get work and childcare, there's nothing to stop that happening.
@miss_b: health and safety regs, requirements from insurance companies, and Ofsted inspections, are what would make a community creche unfeasible even in a close community.
So you actually think widows/widowers shouldn't claim benefit then? I'm suprised you came up with an answer to that one. That's one of the exceptions that most right-wingers make.
I guess the kids of absent parents should starve if the absent parent refuses to pay up, and the resident parent can't get a job (partly due to being a parent)?
When this was originally proposed, I thought it wasn't so bad, because seven isn't so young really. Now my daughter's nearly ten and still needs a lot of care, and I've seen what it's like for some secondary school kids when both parents work full-time, I don't think it's a good idea at all. I wouldn't go to work full-time right now (I work part-time), and if it were a choice between full-time work and benefits, I'd take benefits. In some areas, and in some industries, that is the choice on offer; part-time work is not that easy to find.
After all, if a parent of a seven-year-old wants to work, and can get work and childcare, there's nothing to stop that happening.
@miss_b: health and safety regs, requirements from insurance companies, and Ofsted inspections, are what would make a community creche unfeasible even in a close community.
So you actually think widows/widowers shouldn't claim benefit then? I'm suprised you came up with an answer to that one. That's one of the exceptions that most right-wingers make.
I guess the kids of absent parents should starve if the absent parent refuses to pay up, and the resident parent can't get a job (partly due to being a parent)?
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Hold on a minute, now you're laying the blame with women who work as politicians. What's all this blaming women all about? Can we not refer simply to parents? Rather than berating women for any choice they make (or are forced to make)?
I'm not even going to rise to Alright's bait, since I don't live in 1824.
scifisam
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It does sometimes happen among politicians who work stupidly long hours (both parents working such hours, usually) that they not only can't understand parents who want to stay at home or have to stay at home, but are more judgemental about that than non-parents. These seems to happen more among the female politicians than the male, perhaps because the women are more defensive about their choice to work stupidly long hours.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Maybe the idea is, at least in part, to make a lifetime on benefits seem a little less sensible to the up-coming generation of 14 and 15 year old girls looking to leave school early and follow in their own mothers footsteps, who have often followed in their mothers footsteps - really, this increasing cycle of non-aspirational, unknowing, uneducated parenting culture is at least three generations old around here. And they really haven't got a fucking clue there's a possibility of life beyond that which they know.
It's a tragic waste, and it impacts everywhere.
It's a tragic waste, and it impacts everywhere.
They can afford nannies tho i have never understood why both parents HAVE to be at work still micheal moore made this point better than i can in bowling for columbine
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Says it all
These right-wing twats can't see past their own noses.
It's not that they can't, it's that they don't want to/can't be bothered to. Just the sort of thing you'd expect from people who care only about themselves.
"Don't want to." SPOT ON. We, the overtaxed majority, are mightily fucked off.
The left, who only ever want to stick their hand in someone else's pocket, are "the people who care only about themselves" - fuck the host from whom they're parasiting.
Posters' attacks on Attica say it all for me, as do posters' attacks on ernest Trots, Marxists, SWPers, Praxists (just made that one up, but food for thought 
), and any other assorted Woolfie Smith who is at least TRYING to organise or raise a rallying call.
See, if you were all the mythical one-legged lesbian, you'd still be trying to shoot yourselves in the other foot. Thank Christ ... because, that way, you'll never bother the hard-working mainstream
), and any other assorted Woolfie Smith who is at least TRYING to organise or raise a rallying call.See, if you were all the mythical one-legged lesbian, you'd still be trying to shoot yourselves in the other foot. Thank Christ ... because, that way, you'll never bother the hard-working mainstream
scifisam
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Posters' attacks on Attica say it all for me, as do posters' attacks on ernest Trots, Marxists, SWPers, Praxists (just made that one up, but food for thought
See, if you were all the mythical one-legged lesbian, you'd still be trying to shoot yourselves in the other foot. Thank Christ ... because, that way, you'll never bother the hard-working mainstream
I'm a lesbian with a disability, and I'm still technically a single Mum.
I lose, though. I have an acqauintance who's black, Jewish, lesbian, female (you might have guessed that), disabled, oldish (45 or 47 - can't remember - not actually old, but old enough for employers to discriminate against her), from another country (English is her second language), working class by any definition, and has a son with learning difficulties. She should be the one we turn to in all questions of oppression.
Unfortunately, she's also the most unlikely Tory in the world.
pk
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How many kids have you got, treacle?
Best post in 3 days
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