War of words over Morrissey story
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goldenecitrone said:As a pop singer he's a genius. As the voice of the people he's naive at best and misguided at worst. I'll still be singing along lustily at his gigs though. Ask me why and I'll spit in your eye.
'But we cannot cling to the old dreams anymore!' no you can't, Mozz- let it die!
I don't see Morrissey as bein racist here, I think he's more terminally nostalgic for an idea of England that never existed outside of books and celluloid... I think he'd like to live in a late-1950's episode of Corrie, with Alan Bennet and the Carry-on team popping round for afternoon tea and scones...
oh, are we talking about Copey now?! well, I for one think the gates have become flooded in this thread! who's gonna come in next- little Donny Osmond?!
Johnny Canuck3
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jusali said:racism this racism that
Why is it racist?
If you have a group of people with a distinct culture, then move in a very large group of people with another culture, the first culture will be diluted. It's simple math or something.
Where you start running into racism, would be comments about the inferiority of the new culture etc. I don't think he said that.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Exactly. In fact he's gone on record as saying how much he deplores racism. Though why he'd want to live in Italy with all those pizza munchers beats me.
Johnny, I think most of the people who've been criticising Morrissey in this thread, have gone out of their way to avoid calling him an out and out racist.
ETA : As you almost certainly haven't seen -- you were quoting the (sneery and dismissive) post 2 of this thread for fucks sake. One that added zero to the content of this thread, whereas in the last three pages there's been some fairly involved and informed and subtle discussion. Have you actually read it?
ETA : As you almost certainly haven't seen -- you were quoting the (sneery and dismissive) post 2 of this thread for fucks sake. One that added zero to the content of this thread, whereas in the last three pages there's been some fairly involved and informed and subtle discussion. Have you actually read it?
Silva
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Well, at least one thing he's got right - they're taking their sons to interviews now
About the Morrissey thing, I really rate him, but should avoid doing interviews at all costs, where he fucks up too frequently after start rolling, and his reply in the Guardian is far, but far better written than his interview.
Johnny Canuck3
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William of Walworth said:ETA : As you almost certainly haven't seen -- you were quoting the (sneery and dismissive) post 2 of this thread for fucks sake. One that added zero to the content of this thread, whereas in the last three pages there's been some fairly involved and informed and subtle discussion. Have you actually read it?
I was unaware that there was a protocol with respect to which posts are to be replied to, which ones, not.
No worries but there was a fair bit more to this thread than that post, is all.
but there was a fair bit more to this thread than that post, is all.
ouchmonkey
Singe Gainsbourg
William of Walworth said:ETA : As you almost certainly haven't seen -- you were quoting the (sneery and dismissive) post 2 of this thread for fucks sake. One that added zero to the content of this thread, whereas in the last three pages there's been some fairly involved and informed and subtle discussion. Have you actually read it?
easy fellah, I take your point but there's been a load of bollocks talked on this thread too and scarcely anything as lucid and to the point as
Yeah on reconsideration I overreacted a tad ... oops. 
John Harris in the Guardian has this to say today -- see first coupla paragraphs.
John Harris in the Guardian has this to say today -- see first coupla paragraphs.
I actually don't really agree with that comment - it's oversimplistic and assumes some kind of monolithic, static cultures that are poles apart.
The idea of dilution rather than addition is inherently negative isn't it, betraying the opinions of the writer, cheesy lines about 'basic math' aside.
Culture isn't nearly as fixed or distinctive as that suggests either - bear in mind that less than a generation ago Brits were boiling mince, had absolute faith in the Queen and believed that British Leyland motors were the height of motoring technology. It's not exactly immigrants that helped change those beliefs.
ouchmonkey
Singe Gainsbourg
maybe so, but the basic point was that commenting on difference is not the same as condemnation of difference.
or something.
that it should be possible to mention the topic of immigration without being taken to be racist, as racism implies a negative opinion based on race.
or something.
that it should be possible to mention the topic of immigration without being taken to be racist, as racism implies a negative opinion based on race.
danny la rouge
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The NME has apologised. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18410933
In a brief statement, the NME has said there was a "misunderstanding".
http://www.nme.com/news/morrissey/64270
Not sure what form the misunderstanding took, though.
In a brief statement, the NME has said there was a "misunderstanding".
http://www.nme.com/news/morrissey/64270
Not sure what form the misunderstanding took, though.
