ouchmonkey
Singe Gainsbourg
this, and other, posts imply that as he no longer lives here he should mind his business, which frankly is nonsense.
War of words over Morrissey story
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this, and other, posts imply that as he no longer lives here he should mind his business, which frankly is nonsense.
ouchmonkey
Singe Gainsbourg
belboid said:
indeed so.
you are entitled to your opinion
even if it is that others are not entitled to theirs.
tiresome
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
MC5 said:Let's not forget that back in the 80's the NME thought Crass were fascists, because they wore dark clothes and their speaker cabs were shaped like the latter H (HH + Heil Hitler)
NME used to be stupid but entertaining, now it's just stupid. Not to mention actively sabotaging the music scene by plugging an endless stream of godawful razorshite-clone indie bands at the expense of any interesting new music
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
belboid said:
Words can be taken out of context and used to defame character.
Libel law is an interesting thing. i almost got done for it once. The stuff I wrote was 100% kosher and correct but it was deemed to be inappropriate and out of context and therefore defamed the person's character needlessly. My lawyer luckily persuaded him that the sums involved didn't add up.
ouchmonkey
Singe Gainsbourg
belboid said:
you kiss your mother with that mouth?
belboid said:
What's stupid or cuntish about suing the NME?? He's doing so because (it is claimed) they edited the article with the effect of significantly distorting his opinions. See the links that I posted on page one yesterday, and twisted's posts at the top of this page, that's a post I agree with, including twisted's criticisms of Mozz. But to me, the NME come out of this far worse.
andy2002
To the Bat-poles!
twisted said:
I think the NME is a crock of shit these days but I don't think it's particularly in the wrong this time... unless Morrissey's saying he's been deliberately misquoted and can prove it.
Yes, the magazine has jumped all over this to get as much publicity as possible out of it but what do you expect them to do? That's what all magazines do – whether it's Grazia with a brand new Posh Spice exclusive or Mojo reporting Elvis Costello whining about the UK last month.
I'm a big Morrissey fan and a huge Smiths fan but I think he's made himself look like a total twat in this instance. I read the interview last night and thought he came across as one of those old blokes you sometimes meet in the pub who begin a sentence with the words, "I'm a not a racist but..." before launching into an attack on immigrants. Silly arse.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's stupid and cuntish because he said something deeply foolish. He may well have said lots of other non-foolish stuff too, but suing the NME after saying what he did only compounds his error. It shows that he doesn't understand why what he said was foolish. He may as well walk around with an 'Enoch was right' t-shirt on.William of Walworth said:
There's a piece on guardian online by Tim Jonze (who did the original interview) about the whole byline thing: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/11/jonze_nme_morrissey.html
I don't understand how Morrissey will be able to sue the NME for libel though. They have a taped interview, and have run direct quotes from that interview. Unless these quotes are fabricated - and neither Jonze nor Morrissey seems to say they are, what has the NME done that could be construed as libel?
I take on board littlebabyjesus' post above, but all the same lawyer (I'm posting detachedly here) might STILL argue, legally, that he was selectiovely quoted, the quotes in the way they were printed/editorialisised ended up with the effect of distorting his opinions, that his real views were misrepresented etc.
Whether this will convionce a court is obviously (especially now, see below) open to question/debate, but the lawyers seem to thik they have a case.
I have to say that what Tim Jonze has said/written puts a bit of a different complexion on things for me now (I only saw that yesterday).
I had thought Jonze had disassociated himself from the interview because the NME were sensationalising -- he's claiming now though, that he did so because the NME toned the interview/article down!!
I want to look at this a bit more ... later ...
Whether this will convionce a court is obviously (especially now, see below) open to question/debate, but the lawyers seem to thik they have a case.
I have to say that what Tim Jonze has said/written puts a bit of a different complexion on things for me now (I only saw that yesterday).
I had thought Jonze had disassociated himself from the interview because the NME were sensationalising -- he's claiming now though, that he did so because the NME toned the interview/article down!!
I want to look at this a bit more ... later ...
andy2002
To the Bat-poles!
William of Walworth said:
His lawyers could argue all they want, the fact remains if those quotes are verbatim then he hasn't got a leg to stand on. Especially as NME, in the interests of fairness, also printed at least as many quotes from Morrissey saying how much he deplored racism. You can't sue a newspaper or magazine for choosing an angle for a story when they have a raft of verbatim recorded quotes from the interviewee to more than back that angle up.
I suspect Morrissey's lawyers are just sabre rattling in a bid to get the NME editor to print some sort of retraction. I hope he tells them to fuck off and die.
brokenyolk
vegetable lover
SpookyFrank said:NME used to be stupid but entertaining, now it's just stupid. Not to mention actively sabotaging the music scene by plugging an endless stream of godawful razorshite-clone indie bands at the expense of any interesting new music
as opposed to morrisey, who used to be entertaining and is now about as 'silly' as racism.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Seems he thinks its terrible that walking around Knightbridge he never hears "British" accents. Knightsbridge? The accents there havent been "British" for nearly 3 fuckin decades!!!!
Not connected to the real world
Silly, bitter old queen
On the other hand, NME, smug opionated little shits
Cant stand either camp in this
Not connected to the real world
Silly, bitter old queen
On the other hand, NME, smug opionated little shits
Cant stand either camp in this
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Hmmm, seems all my idols are racists these days. Morrissey, Martin Amis, Ron Atkinson. 
chazegee
Number two.
I suppose most of the rich Knightsbridge Euro trash that Moz is complaining about in will fuck of as soon as the next depression hits anyway
But to be honest if I was Californian, I would probably be complaining about Morrissey, Robbie Williams, Billy Idol and Johnny Rotten clogging up my 7/11 too
But to be honest if I was Californian, I would probably be complaining about Morrissey, Robbie Williams, Billy Idol and Johnny Rotten clogging up my 7/11 too
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
Morrissey is a total fanny pad and i've never liked any of his woeful music but I wouldn't trust a word i'd read in the NME. I did a few interviews with them when i've been in crappy bands in the past and was always totally misquoted and had words put in my mouth on evr occassion. Even after i stopped sitting in on interviews with them they'd make up total bullshit which i had ostensibly contributed to the interviews, when i hadn't even been in the room. Morrissey's a cock but the NME are full of shit and i really hope thay get taken to the cleaners over this and that Conor wank is chucked out on his arse (not that i expect that'll happen)
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
goldenecitrone said:Hmmm, seems all my idols are racists these days. Morrissey, Martin Amis, Ron Atkinson.
hipipol said:
True point, I 'work' not far off
and you're right. Not that it matters or anything, but Morrissey makes a weird point there.
andy2002 said:
I started off instinctively (and in general if not in particular, correctly) blaming the EVIL PRESS for what initially appeared to be a whipped up storm in a very British teacup. The NME remain wankers for sure. But I'm now rather depressedly realising that andy is essentially right ....
Kaka Tim said:
Some expats really do HATE what they left behind, in a highly irrational and bigotted way.
I bought our Roundhouse tickets before all this emerged. I'm still very likely to be seeing not just one but two Morrissey gigs in January, I loved his set at Glasto in 2004. There's undoubtedly some classic songs in his repetoire. But I'm doubting myself and him big style, at the moment
Spose I can to some extent justify my continued plan to see him live on 'making up my own mind' type grounds ...
Being a fan. What a pain in the fucking arse when someone you've mainly (and often hugely) respected, and whose music you loved, turns out to be coming out with prejudiced wankerdom.
I knew before that there was a history with Morrissey, but this latest stuff is thoroughly depressing.
The blog by Tim Jonze, the interviewer, in the Guardian 'Comment Is Free' area ("Morrissey, the NME and me") from last Friday is well worth a read.
As Iggy said or howled .... OH SHIT!!!!
William of Walworth said:Spose I can to some extent justify my continued plan to see him live on 'making up my own mind' type grounds ...
Being a fan. What a pain in the fucking arse when someone you've mainly (and often hugely) respected, and whose music you loved, turns out to be coming out with prejudiced wankerdom.
why do you need to "justify" it?
if you want to go and see him, go and see him. you're going for music, not politics, yeah? i don't think he's said anything particularly out of order - maybe ill-informed and naive - but even if he had, it would need to be something extreme for me to think about boycotting his gigs.
