WANTED: 1 article or paragraph to destroy thatcherites faith

[goneforlunch]

Fruitloop

I'm have this kind of horrified fascination to know what it is about Scruton that's so relevant. His stuff on music and culture is the most utter bilge, not even reaching the analytical standards that would be required of a beginning PhD student, and his social outlook harks back to the England of Yestyeare so beloved of fascists and pub-bores the length and breadth of the country.

I expect you realise that Nino_Savatte brought Scruton into this debate, not me.

 

[nino_savatte]

And you have an unenquiring mind! Ah well ...

And you are a troll.

 

[nino_savatte]

Fruitloop

I expect you realise that Nino_Savatte brought Scruton into this debate, not me.

That's right, abdicate responsibility for your own actions.

 

[goneforlunch]

That's right, abdicate responsibility for your own actions.

But my actions, don't include bringing the irrelevant Scruton into this debate, now do they?

And you are a troll.

No I'm not, but with a still unenquiring mind such as yours, you still can't see it.

 

[nino_savatte]

But my actions, don't include bringing the irrelevant Scruton into this debate, now do they?




No I'm not, but with a still unenquiring mind such as yours, you still can't see it.

Oh, but you are. If I have an "unenquiring mind" where does that leave you? You're as thick as pigshit.

And you're on ignore.

 

[nino_savatte]

Just so that you know.

goneforlunch
This message is hidden because goneforlunch is on your ignore list.

I waste far too much time on idiots like these.

 

[goneforlunch]

Oh, but you are. If I have an "unenquiring mind" where does that leave you? You're as thick as pigshit.

And you're on ignore.

How childlike. (You could always have asked me why I would have probably voted for Foot instead of Thatcher, but of course that might've spoilt your prejudices.) But never mind, you're ignoring me now!



Still not a troll.

 

[gilhyle]

Anger is an Energy

You guys are tiring and fascinating at the same time. Its the fascination of horror. Its like some white trash feud where everyone has forgotten why they are fighting.

Keep going.

 

[nino_savatte]

You guys are tiring and fascinating at the same time. Its the fascination of horror. Its like some white trash feud where everyone has forgotten why they are fighting.

Keep going.

Who the fuck are you talking to? Furthermore, what is your position on Thatcher. I mean, it's not as if you've actually had much to say - is it?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

OK sounds good so far, but do any of your arguments say we need to repeal the 1972 Communities Act and leave the EU? Because without that your proposals will be non starters. If they do, I'll go and check em out

I think you'll find I'm arguing consistently for localisation and decentralisation. I think we should leave the UK, never mind the EU.

 

[PrinceToad]

She had one, a reinvented free market, small government conservatism that turned its back on the old One Nation conservatism of Heath.

She left the government larger, but offering fewer services. There was no more free market after than before. Britain was not exactly East Germany.

It is probably difficult for people to imagine the poitical change that happened in 1979. It was the end of a progressive social consensus in politics that had existed since the war. Within a few years students went from wanting to be social workers to investment bankers. There was a palpable atmosphere of greed and self interest that Thatcher tapped into.

Students went from going into management training, to working in McDonalds and cleaning old people's homes: if they were lucky. The guy who came top our class of '84 got a job as a night club bouncer. People went from having hope and high expectations to having no hope. Thatcher just managed to hold on as the opposition was split between two separate factions, even though she get ever decreasing numbers of votes. Expectations of school leavers and unversity grads are still not back to normal even now.

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[gilhyle]

Who the fuck are you talking to? Furthermore, what is your position on Thatcher. I mean, it's not as if you've actually had much to say - is it?

 

[goneforlunch]

OK sounds good so far, but do any of your arguments say we need to repeal the 1972 Communities Act and leave the EU? Because without that your proposals will be non starters. If they do, I'll go and check em out

I think you'll find I'm arguing consistently for localisation and decentralisation. I think we should leave the UK, never mind the EU.

Thanks for your reply. We agree that we should leave the EU then . As for the rest, we can argue about the rights and wrongs of that, and everything else, once we're out.

 

[newharper]

Thanks for your reply. We agree that we should leave the EU then . As for the rest, we can argue about the rights and wrongs of that, and everything else, once we're out.

Got any political baggage with that?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well no, I don't think there's much point in half measures. I don't think anyone can have an effective voice in a political community of more than about 5000 people, so I absolutely insist on leaving the UK. That automatically abrogates any wider treaties. So the EU business is trivial.

 

[goneforlunch]

Got any political baggage with that?

Of course, but arguing about it before we leave is pointless.

Doesn't matter which party is in power at Westminster, they'll do whatever has been agreed in Brussels - too much qualified majority voting and all that! That's why all the parties agree with each other so much.