Wankiest musical genre?

[Orang Utan]

at least they bother with lyrics - can't be any worse than the twat who listens to XXX-bpm dance music on an ipod whilst sitting on his arse on a tube with no intention of dancing whatsoever.

You misunderstand it then. Dance music is a rubbish term. I prefer to call it electronic music as it's not just for dancing. Music with lyrics is usually way too distracting - most of the music I listen to is either instrumental or the vocals are used just as another instrument and the lyrics are secondary. In fact, my nomination for wankiest genre is music in which the lyrics are the most important element - most 'singer-songwriters' - write a poem for fuck's sake - you don't need to aimlessly strum a guitar to accompany your poetry - it's just annoying!

 

[sleaterkinney]

Having music lessons is often for the middle classes whereas sequencers are availible to anyone with a computer.

It's much easier for people to make music that they want without traditional music skills. Techno is music for the people by the people.

A modern day folk music if you please.

Is this for real?

 

[Flavour]

fff, sleaterkinney: decry techno/anything made on computers at your peril. electronically produced music is the future.

i agree with chin dildo - lyricism is often proportional to wankery

 

[fudgefactorfive]

fff, sleaterkinney: decry techno/anything made on computers at your peril. electronically produced music is the future.

that's a wanky statement in and of itself

bring on the EMPs

 

[Flavour]

how is it a wanky statement?

 

[DrRingDing]

Where did I say you did?

Being able to play an instrument has fuck all to do with social class

Load of old bollocks.

I don't know a single w/c person that can play a traditional instrument but I know plenty that can, mix and scratch and even make a decent track on their computers.

 

[fudgefactorfive]

how is it a wanky statement?

in the sense that it's a sweeping pronouncement of how one particular type of music is going to be the "the future", based on your own taste

which is why I said on the previous page that any kind of music promoted by DJs is, by definition, wanky

I can't stand "guardians of taste" - I've actually been told by electronic music DJs in the past that I personally don't have the ability to tell good music from bad, and that that is what DJs are for - to educate people on what good music is, point the way to where music is going. I've said, "I don't like this track, it doesn't do anything for me", and been told, "you're wrong". Fuck off.

I'm sure there are exceptions - I know there are, I've met perfectly nice and reasonable DJs who just love their music and want others to enjoy it too - but it's a nasty and fairly widespread tendency imo.

it's all ridden with snobbery and pretentiousness - especially anyone who is desperate to promote what they personally believe is "the next big thing", who wants to boast about how they "discovered" something that no-one else had the ability to see until they illuminated it. yaaaaaaaaawn

shoot 'em all

 

[DrRingDing]

.....it's all ridden with snobbery and pretentiousness ......

shoot 'em all

I think there is an element of that but they were in the minority where I grew up.

Most the people I knew who DJ'd just loved their music and wanted to share.

 

[fudgefactorfive]

I don't know a single w/c person that can play a traditional instrument

have you heard of folk music?

 

[DrRingDing]

have you heard of folk music?

In England you're more likely to come across a beardy m/c folk musician than a w/c one.

Beardy types may play traditional folk but IMO folk music today is made in the bedroom and played at them there techno parties.

 

[fudgefactorfive]

In England you're more likely to come across a beardy m/c folk musician than a w/c one.

Even if this is true - which it isn't - is England the only country in the world that produces music?

 

[Flavour]

folk music is 100x more wanky than techno

theres nothing wanky about certain individuals dedicating a hell of a lot of money to buying records for the sole purpose of making people dance.

DJs can be wanky about being DJs

but i think there's a level of intimidation about it that exists in the heads of non-DJs, paranoid that DJs think themselves objectively more qualified to comment upon the state of music. i certainly dont. i just hate nu-metal.

 

[DrRingDing]

Even if this is true - which it isn't - is England the only country in the world that produces music?

The culture of genre's vary from place to place.

e.g. One country techno could be swanky, another dirty and grimy, another hard left and yet another hard right.

So I think it's only sensible to debate where we have some experience.

 

[Dr. Furface]

Speed garage - it was like really massive for a week once in the late 90's. Which was about 6 days too long.

Right now, nu folk/folktronica should quickly be consigned to history.

 

[fudgefactorfive]

theres nothing wanky about certain individuals dedicating a hell of a lot of money to buying records for the sole purpose of making people dance.

disagree - it's utter wank - oooh, look at me, I spent loads of money on records out of some kind of public service missionary zeal, because I CONTROL THE DANCE FLOOR, no-one could have a good time without me and my incredible good taste

but i think there's a level of intimidation about it that exists in the heads of non-DJs, paranoid that DJs think themselves objectively more qualified to comment upon the state of music. i certainly dont. i just hate nu-metal.

you're saying I'm paranoiacally imagining my encounters with wanky DJs?

 

[fudgefactorfive]

So I think it's only sensible to debate where we have some experience.

yes. and from what I've seen, you know nothing about world folk music

 

[DrRingDing]

yes. and from what I've seen, you know nothing about world folk music

I have passed no comment on world folk music at all. As I stated here...

The culture of genre's vary from place to place.

e.g. One country techno could be swanky, another dirty and grimy, another hard left and yet another hard right.

So I think it's only sensible to debate where we have some experience.

I'm only refering to Englands music.

Anybody who tries to claim they understand world folk music hasn't got a clue.

....and FYI I do actually like a lot of 'world music' (shit term but what can yer do).

 

[fudgefactorfive]

I'm only refering to Englands music.

how boring

oh well, I'll go and drown my sorrows with a folk album made by the ruling classes

 

[fudgefactorfive]

what I especially love about popular electronic dance music is the way you get these proliferations of subdivisions that only a tiny minority of metaphorically-beardy DJ geeks pretend to understand

so you have hard trance, psychedelic trance, goa trance, hard house, handbag house, progressive house, deep house, trance techno, techno trance, trancey trance and housey house

all of it representing a marathon of wanking to cover up the fact that most of it barely qualifies as actual "music" in a huge sloping mound of jism

 

[DrRingDing]

how boring

oh well, I'll go and drown my sorrows with a folk album made by the ruling classes

There's no need to to get all shirty.

Just chill, open your hamper, pull out a bottle of real ale put on your straw panama and rest your middle aged beer gut in your deck chair whilst happily tapping away to your fiddly dee music.

 

[fudgefactorfive]

bourgeois filth, the lot of them

 

[DrRingDing]

The toiling masses at a folk festival.

 

[DrRingDing]

bourgeois filth, the lot of them

They don't look very English to me, infact that looks like Mohamed Al Fayed on the right.

 

[fudgefactorfive]

possibly the most working class person who ever lived

 

[fudgefactorfive]

They don't look very English to me, infact that looks like Mohamed Al Fayed on the right.

sorry, I forgot, only English people make music

 

[Flavour]

what I especially love about popular electronic dance music is the way you get these proliferations of subdivisions that only a tiny minority of metaphorically-beardy DJ geeks pretend to understand

so you have hard trance, psychedelic trance, goa trance, hard house, handbag house, progressive house, deep house, trance techno, techno trance, trancey trance and housey house

all of it representing a marathon of wanking to cover up the fact that most of it barely qualifies as actual "music" in a huge sloping mound of jism

you're being narrow minded
i really don't see why one section of the independent music industry should offend you so much. the people that make most of the music that gets played at raves dont make a living from music exclusively - just like a lot of hungry folk artists with integrity i imagine

e2a: although the some of the genres you named don't exist i agree those ones are all shit

 

[fudgefactorfive]

you're being narrow minded

well, i tried to like it, for years

i still do - when i'm on drugs

 

[xenon]

Load of old bollocks.

I don't know a single w/c person that can play a traditional instrument but I know plenty that can, mix and scratch and even make a decent track on their computers.

I assume you're excluding guitar and keyboards from your definition of troditional instrument.

 

[DrRingDing]

sorry, I forgot, only English people make music

What other cultures do you indigeniously understand enough to comment on?

 

[Flavour]

well, i tried to like it, for years

i still do - when i'm on drugs

what do you like? dnb?