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Wandsworth protects 121 pubs from developers - so why can't Lambeth?

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, Jul 30, 2015.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    This is great news for the Wandsworth pubs - but what is Lambeth doing apart from rubber stamping the demolition of the Canterbury and letting the Grosvenor be turned into rip off kuxuty flats?

    http://londonist.com/2015/07/council-leading-the-way-in-protecting-pubs-from-developers
     
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  2. marty21

    marty21 One on one? You're crazy.

    sounds a good move - pubs all over London are getting closed and redeveloped.
     
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  3. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox

    Great news, maybe others will start to follow suit. You can only hope
     
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  4. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Unlikely as it may sound the leader of Wandsworth Council is known to be partial to a pint (or more) of real ale, and even on occasion popped into the Beehive (the Brixton one that is) in his younger days.

    I wonder what the leader of Lambeth Council is partial to drinks-wise?
     
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  5. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    The blood of virgins?
     
  6. StoneRoad

    StoneRoad RIP Greebo being kinder heckling from the back!

    Whatever the developer is supplying ? ...
     
  7. organicpanda

    organicpanda cat herder extraodinaire

    the teat of Harriet Harman
     
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  8. Twattor

    Twattor Well-Known Member

    Champagne socialism
     
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  9. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda 100% echtes Pandabär!!

    FFS, I just vomited! :mad:
     
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  10. organicpanda

    organicpanda cat herder extraodinaire

    my work here is done :thumbs:
     
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  11. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  12. laughalot

    laughalot Well-Known Member

    (a) The council will use its available planning powers to support the retention of public houses. In considering applications which require planning permission for the change of use, redevelopment and/or demolition of a public house, the council will consider whether: (i) the public house use is no longer economically viable; a viability report must be submitted and this must include evidence of active and appropriate marketing over a continuous period of at least 12 months and evidence that all reasonable efforts have been made to preserve the facility; (ii) the proposal would not result in the loss of a service or facility of particular value to the local community; and (iii) the proposed alternative use will not detrimentally affect the vitality of the area and the character of the street scene. (b) Changes of use to non-A or D class uses will only be acceptable where the criteria set out in part (a) of the policy above are met and there is no reasonable prospect in the medium term of re-use or refurbishment for an alternative A or D class use, demonstrated through marketing evidence. (c) If the public house is considered by the council to be either of townscape value or a heritage asset the council will seek retention of the building and any external features of interest, including characteristic pub features. (d) Schemes affecting public houses should not result in a loss of cellarage or other features which might render the public house use unviable. This policy applies to public houses and sites previously in pub use, where the last lawful use of the premises was a permitted A class use, whether currently in use as a public house or notPolicy ED8 from The Lambeth Plan....
     
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  13. Jangleballix

    Jangleballix Better living through chemistry.

    And Wandsworth have kept all their excellent libraries open. Although, ironically, they are now administered by GLL.
     
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  14. 19sixtysix

    19sixtysix μεθαύριο

    I will defend champagne socialism by noting the leader of lambeth ain't a socialist.
     
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  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Lambeth Council is consulting on an Article Four direction to stop change of use from business use to residential. Which I support.


     
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  16. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Saw this in ES. Arguments for and against. The pub in question was successful upmarket pub in Maida Vale.

    How rent hikes called last orders for the award-winning Truscott Arms


     
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  17. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    What utter cunts:
     
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  18. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    My ex-local down the road in Shepherds Bush, with intricate Victorian internal architecture and tilework, has gone down this route. Bought by Fawcett Inn (one of these pubcos that are basically property firms) closed, sold, and now the entire thing is being demolished. It's not been advertised but I can bet that it will be Flats That Nobody Can Afford when construction is complete.
     
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  19. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    One wonders how much sympathy we should have for Gibraltar if it were to be annexed by Spain due to Brexit.
    As far as I can see Gibraltar currently serves only three purposes - naval base for nuclear submarine fleet, home of companies such as Hedge Holdings in your article, and last but not least home of 888.com and similar online gambling outfits.
     
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  20. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Same thing is happening in Soho to the offices that film companies used to have. Under "permitted development" that the Tories brought in.

    Was talking to someone who works in film industry saying its destroying Soho. He is right.

    Must be film industries fault for making the area popular.:rolleyes: First wave gentrifiers. :facepalm::rolleyes:

    Crossrail means that developers are falling over themselves to buy up property/ land near Crossrail stations. ( In Soho case Tottenham Court Road) .Creaming themselves about how land and property prices will rise near Crossrail stations.

    The so called "market" and "Market rent" is bollox. Interesting article to read on that score. Same goes for the arches in Brixton. All this stuff about market rent is really about extracting maximum profit. Nothing to do with "fairness".
     
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  21. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I agree. Gibralter is a British Overseas Territory. What I do not understand is why if that is the case Her Majestys Government does not just ban them and the other overseas territories from being offshore base for these companies.

    But then the City of London is in effect operated as an offshore banking area for the super rich.

    Cant complain City provides lots of well paid jobs for those who service the needs of international Capital. What would we do without it. :rolleyes:

    I think Gibralter should go back to Spain. Those who voted Brexit did so to get "our borders" back so do not see why Spain should not get the same.
     
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  22. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery I bet you think this tagline's about you?

    Morocco probably feels the same way about Ceuta and Melilla.
     
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  23. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    What do they get out of Ceuta and Melilla then? Apart from having to maintain flights and ferries there from Malaga to keep them going?
    Not that this has anything to do with pubs in Wandsworth and Lambeth.
     
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  24. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    The so called night czar should realise that crap planning decisions are what's killing london's night life.

    But they won't do anything about it. They are being appointed to try and find miracle solutions that may help limit the damage.

    The mayor's office already know the real problems and obviously aren't doing anything about it.
     
  25. hash tag

    hash tag sickness. now light

    Wandsworth have destroyed their libraries! They have sold them, down graded them to reference libraries, limited their opening hours, got rid of librarians, moved them................the world moves on.

    Any pubs; is it really worth hanging on to some pubs? 200-year-old pub in Battersea given lifeline after demolition put on hold

    This place is constantly opening and closing as a pub, a bar, an Indian restaurant...no one wants to go there. It's in a reasonable spot and, in Wandsworth terms, it does not have much in the way of nearby competition. I don't know if the place has a stigma, is cursed, haunted but there you go!
     

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