walked out, advice needed.

[Onket]

Semantics though isn't it really

No, not really-

I'd say it was natural to report anyone that threatened me with violence in the workplace!!

Not everyone thinks the same way.

Surely people know what is and what isn't acceptable in the workplace??

That's not what you said. You said they should report the person. I said not everyone would want to do this.

Clearly they think it's as unacceptable as you or I or anyone else would.

 

[Kanda]

Last one was a question, not a statement

 

[Onket]

Last one was a question, not a statement

With 2 question marks at the end?

 

[discokermit]

Tell them nothing about bullying behaviour yet walk out when fuck all is done.

No sense there sorry...

the fact it did get found out and nothing was done is what made me angry. now he has a licence to behave exactly as he pleases. also, now he has got a reason for a grudge against the hungarians and he knows half a dozen people gave statements against him. he was bad enough before.

 

[Orang Utan]

kill him

 

[discokermit]

kill him

the nob isn't worth the risk.

 

[Orang Utan]

a colleague of mine got talking to a fella in a bar who offered to rape any bloke he wanted for £80. i'm not saying this is a good idea but i had to share this nugget

 

[discokermit]

a colleague of mine got talking to a fella in a bar who offered to rape any bloke he wanted for £80. i'm not saying this is a good idea but i had to share this nugget

not the most helpful of suggestions.

 

[Orang Utan]

no

 

[discokermit]

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

What's so confusing about it? discokermit said that the allegations involved ex-foreman bullying/threatening *other people* not discokermit. So it's really not clear why he's walked out/

he's standing up for his fellow workers. i think that's admirable.

Admirable, yes. But I'm wondering are 'standing up for one's fellow workers' legitimate grounds for walking off the job?

Discokermit hasn't mentioned that he's being bullied or intimidated, but rather the person who's currently doing it to other people has a history of such behaviour. It's not going to help them if Discokermit gets sacked or subject to disciplinary procedures himself for going AWOL and if he's not there to back up the victims of bullying and confirm that the bully has a history.

it would have been better if i had organised a meeting to discuss what to do. walking out was a very individual response but i was very angry.

Exactly. And now you might end up getting disciplined or sacked. Bullying can be a bit 'he said/she said' and hard to prove, which might make it hard to discipline or sack the bully. But if you've walked off the job, you're absent, you're not there, there's no denying that, there's no you might have been or you might not have been there.

And I was a bit confused, did you walk off the job two weeks ago? Or did the incident happen two weeks ago and you walked off the job today?

 

[bemused]

If you're his supervisor I'd keep a very keen eye on him to make sure he follows the rules.

 

[discokermit]

And now you might end up getting disciplined or sacked. Bullying can be a bit 'he said/she said' and hard to prove, which might make it hard to discipline or sack the bully. But if you've walked off the job, you're absent, you're not there, there's no denying that, there's no you might have been or you might not have been there.

And I was a bit confused, did you walk off the job two weeks ago? Or did the incident happen two weeks ago and you walked off the job today?

he got suspended two weeks ago, came back to work today, i walked out today.

i'm not too worried about being disciplined, they're quite worried about me getting another job. when i skive a day, management are usually overly nice the day i go back.

i got told today that after the owner discovered i'd walked, he called a meeting, said the person was back and that was the end of it and he washed his hands of the whole affair.

i'm thinking of going in but refusing to work with him.

 

[weepiper]

why the fuck have they let him back to work?

 

[quimcunx]

Go back tomorrow and do something useful to keep an eye on the bloke and be a buffer between him and the others. they are better off if you are there doing your job.

 

[discokermit]

why the fuck have they let him back to work?

dunno. it's very frustrating. it's not as if he's any good at his job. he's the worst fabricator in the workshop.

i think part of the problem is that management realised how incompetent they were when they sacked someone recently and they got taken to a tribunal and lost. that's why now they are using the consultants.

 

[weepiper]

dunno. it's very frustrating. it's not as if he's any good at his job. he's the worst fabricator in the workshop.

i think part of the problem is that management realised how incompetent they were when they sacked someone recently and they got taken to a tribunal and lost. that's why now they are using the consultants.

utterly bizarre. I would have thought personal threats uttered against your workmates in front of witnesses would be a cast-iron reason for dismissal.

 

[discokermit]

Go back tomorrow and do something useful to keep an eye on the bloke and be a buffer between him and the others. they are better off if you are there doing your job.

might be best. alternately i might insist i go back on the bench, where i can mind my own business and get on with my work.

 

[quimcunx]

Man up. Time to do your bit to improve working lives for everyone, except the bullying twunt.

Get yourself and all the hungarians to a union.

 

[discokermit]

utterly bizarre. I would have thought personal threats uttered against your workmates in front of witnesses would be a cast-iron reason for dismissal.

that's what i thought. ok, it can be a bit rough sometimes and people occasionally flare up but i've never heard of anyone threatening to bring their mates down the works before.

 

[discokermit]

Get yourself and all the hungarians to a union.

yeh. my gmb membership has lapsed so i should sort that out anyway.

i was sounding out people about joining a union when i started but it looked pretty bleak. anybody who had been in a union before was disillusioned, the others weren't interested. maybe this incident might ignite some interest.

not sure what a union fulltimer would have to say about all this though.

 

[DexterTCN]

I don't see why the workers should be prepared to fight against threats of death.

Everyone seems scared of him. What kind of workplace is that?

If the management do nothing then it's a police matter if there's one more word.

 

[discokermit]

I don't see why the workers should be prepared to fight against threats of death.

Everyone seems scared of him. What kind of workplace is that?

If the management do nothing then it's a police matter if there's one more word.

about a quarter of the workforce and management are scared of him. it's a shithole.

gonna go in tomorrow and see what happens.

 

[Belushi]

Good luck today DK, sounds like they dont want to risk losing a tribunal against this fella - bullying cases are always going to be about perception and who said what to who and the fact your Magyar colleagues made weapons would play very badly.

Industrial accidents are the way forward

 

[discokermit]

went in today. management said nowt. hardly anyone was speaking to the feller concerned. i didn't speak to him at all. he kept his head down and got on with his work.

according to gossip, they couldn't get rid as they messed up the procedure.

also, when the owner called the meeting yesterday, he was really angry and said there would be no more going home in tantrums and that we were grown men who would have to sort things out between ourselves in future.

it's like the fucking wild west.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

...Industrial accidents are the way forward

 

[DexterTCN]

went in today. management said nowt. hardly anyone was speaking to the feller concerned. i didn't speak to him at all. he kept his head down and got on with his work.

according to gossip, they couldn't get rid as they messed up the procedure.

also, when the owner called the meeting yesterday, he was really angry and said there would be no more going home in tantrums and that we were grown men who would have to sort things out between ourselves in future.

it's like the fucking wild west.

Messed the procedure? Lies.

Sort it out like men? I'm afraid not, physical threats etc are gross misconduct. Get the owner's arse back in, after talking to an employment lawyer.

 

[badco]

i've got a mad situation at work.

a few weeks ago, the ex foreman of the workshop, now working as a fabricator, had a row with some of the hungarian lads over something trivial. he's a right bully and did his usual thing of screaming and shouting "come outside! i'm gonna fuck you up!" etc.
only this time he went further than usual and threatened to get his mates down to do them over.

i'm the current foreman and was away at the time.

the hungarian lads responded by making weapons to defend themselves as they were terrified. these weapons were found by management, who found out what was going on and suspended the ex foreman on full pay.

anyway, two weeks later, after getting half a dozen witness statements and having a couple of meetings with him, management told him to come back to work. i asked the owner what was going on, he said he didn't want to talk about it and it was out of his hands (they are using an h.r. consultancy firm), so i took my overalls off and walked out.

trouble is, i'm not sure what to do now. i don't believe anyone should work in an atmosphere of intimidation but management have proved incapable of dealing with this.

i would be grateful if anyone had any advice or experience of this type of thing.

ta!

I haven't read the thread in full so sorry if it's been mentioned already,but can you not,collectively,put in a grievance against this guy?