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llion said:
Just to clarify, Wales have qualified for a major tournament and reached the quarter-final both times, which is the same level as England have managed in every one they've qualified for apart from two. Do I need to point out as well, that England didn't qualify for a World Cup from 1962 until 1982? You only just scraped in quite a few other times as well. Arguably the biggest underachievers in world football!
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If your going to start spouting statistics at least get them right. :rolleyes:

We qualified for The world Cup in both 1966 and 1970, and before you start yes I know it was as hosts and as champions, but we still qualified for being there. Unless that is you are denying that we were there at all ? :confused:

In fact we've only missed 3 sets of finals in the last 60 years.

And we've only gone past the quarters twice in major tournaments have we ?

World Cup Finals
1966: Champions
1990: 4th place

European Championships
1968: 3rd Place
1996: Semi-finals

Oh and...

Wales national football team
The team has not qualified for a major international tournament since 1958, when it qualified for the 1958 FIFA World Cup. Wales did however progress through UEFA Euro 1976 qualifying to the Quarter-Final which was played on a home and away leg basis.
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The qualifying round for the 1976 European Football Championship consisted of 32 teams divided into eight groups of four teams. Each group winner progressed to the quarter-finals. The quarter-finals were played in two legs on a home-and-away basis. The winners of the quarter-finals would go through, to the final tournament.
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You lot never actually made it to the finals did you ? :(

Yet another example of how deluded the Welsh supporters are, making up statistics to make themselves less of a shambles :facepalm: :D
 
llion said:
Just to clarify, Wales have qualified for a major tournament and reached the quarter-final both times, which is the same level as England have managed in every one they've qualified for apart from two. Do I need to point out as well, that England didn't qualify for a World Cup from 1962 until 1982? You only just scraped in quite a few other times as well. Arguably the biggest underachievers in world football!
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Nah, that's Russia.
 
Placid Casual27 said:
Can I just say two things here, ignoring all the blah blah on here (except the pro-Wales bits which I heartily endorse)

1. Aaron Ramsey is the best young Welsh footballer I have ever seen, I have been watching Wales home and away since 1976. Thank fuck England can't buy him (or Collison or Matthews)

2. Joe Jordan I fucking hate you, still



Cadwch y ffydd, boys
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Ramsey does look like quality :cool:

I hope for his sake that at some point during his career, Wales will once again qualify for a major tournament so that he can fulfill his potential on the international scene.

Let him not rot in the wilderness like poor old Giggsy :(
 
Didnt see the game, was watching the rugby. Friendlies dont count though. We always beat Wales when it counts.:p
 
I may have got the stats a bit wrong, but I stand by my underachievers comment! Considering how massive football is in England, any neutral observer would agree that they probably should have done better than winning one major tournament (and that was jammy as well!). England's record in major tournaments is poor on the whole, no question about that.

In contrast, Wales are a tiny country with three league clubs so I'd say we've punched well above our weight over the years, beating Germany, Italy and Spain in qualifying matches. Wales arguably had a better team than England for a good part of the 1970s, even into the 80s (witness the 4-1 tonking Wales gave England in 1980).

Cymru am byth!
 
Considering the size of their population, Holland are massive overachievers I'd argue. They came so close to winning both World Cups in 74 and 78, and there was a lot of dodgy shenanigans which made it almost impossible for them to win in Argentina. Plus the fact that they invented a whole new style of football in that era, and have generally played really innovative, exciting football.
 
llion said:
Considering the size of their population, Holland are massive overachievers I'd argue. They came so close to winning both World Cups in 74 and 78, and there was a lot of dodgy shenanigans which made it almost impossible for them to win in Argentina. Plus the fact that they invented a whole new style of football in that era, and have generally played really innovative, exciting football.
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Well if its relative to population size then yeah. I just think for the players they've had, only one tournament is pretty :eek:

And what about Portugal, often seen as a big team but they've only qualified for four world cups :eek:

And Argentina, amazing players, yet out in the first round in 2002, were predicted to walk is in 2006, yet got knocked out by a relatively mediocre germany side...
 
Clint Iguana said:
there is one.... that most England fans will be up their own arse no mater what happens :p
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;)

As much as I'd love us to win the World Cup, even I think the country would become pretty much intolerable with all the "Ing-ger-lund" 3 lions, flag-waving nonsense. :D
 
RaverDrew said:
;)

As much as I'd love us to win the World Cup, even I think the country would become pretty much intolerable with all the "Ing-ger-lund" 3 lions, flag-waving nonsense. :D
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Well said. I've also taken an intense dislike to Brazil over the years cos soon as England go out the media seem to have a love affair with them. That's why I like the triumvirate of pantomine villains in world soccer - Germany, Italy, Argentina with honourable mention to Uruguay who should in all reality drop football as their national game and take up a full contact sport like rugby or even ice hockey.
 
twistedAM said:
Well said. I've also taken an intense dislike to Brazil over the years cos soon as England go out the media seem to have a love affair with them. That's why I like the triumvirate of pantomine villains in world soccer - Germany, Italy, Argentina with honourable mention to Uruguay who should in all reality drop football as their national game and take up a full contact sport like rugby or even ice hockey.
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To support Brazil in the finals - if you are not a Brasil national - is a sure fire indicator of a johnny come lateley part time football supporter. IMHO of course.

blah blah Pele best footballer of all time blah blah blah , based only on watching a documentary & a few youtube clips
 
not-bono-ever said:
To support Brazil in the finals - if you are not a Brasil national - is a sure fire indicator of a johnny come lateley part time football supporter. IMHO of course.

blah blah Pele best footballer of all time blah blah blah , based only on watching a documentary & a few youtube clips
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Yeah I hate Team Nike and Pele - does he still wander the round the world with a crappy blazer with the Mastercard logo embroidered on the chest pocket?
 
England in the World Cup probably means a re-run of horrific pro-England advertisments and shirt competitions in my local supermarket in south Wales. Hopefully the Saes will crash and burn.
 
editor said:
Well, that's you. Some Englisch get very excited about such things.
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Thing is Scotland, Wales and the Irelands always desperately want to beat England. Whereas the equivalent for England is beating France, Germany or Argentina. That's just how it's worked out over the years. When there have been a few "we were robbed" matches against Scotland then we'll be able to really get a kick out of stuffing them. However up to now the Scots have a few to point at and England don't.
 
ericjarvis said:
Thing is Scotland, Wales and the Irelands always desperately want to beat England. Whereas the equivalent for England is beating France, Germany or Argentina. That's just how it's worked out over the years.
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Exactly..and add Portugal to that list. England getting beaten by one of the others would be just a blip eg Norn Iron 1 England 0.
 
lewislewis said:
England in the World Cup probably means a re-run of horrific pro-England advertisments and shirt competitions in my local supermarket in south Wales. Hopefully the Saes will crash and burn.
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I live in Swansea now, I'm going to have to keep pretty and restrained about my (realistic, non hysterical) England allegiances** during the WC next summer :eek:

**These only apply to football, I can't be doing wth England in rugby and I've been rooting for Wales in that sport even before I moved away from London

Or travel to Bristol for big matches ... :p ... or Glastonbury ;)

PS I'm genuinely delighted Wales did so well on Saturday with a young but promising side :)
 
not-bono-ever said:
To support Brazil in the finals - if you are not a Brasil national - is a sure fire indicator of a johnny come lateley part time football supporter. IMHO of course.

blah blah Pele best footballer of all time blah blah blah , based only on watching a documentary & a few youtube clips
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Agreed, it's so so so the 'trendy' thing to do.
Tommers wrote a hilarious post about it after the dull Brazil 1 Croatia 0 game at the last world cup, something like 'blah blah trendy groovy ooh there's Ronaldinho drinking tea on the halfway line'...

:D
 
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