"Waffen-SS" terror charge in... Suffolk

[London_Calling]

No. From what I saw on the news it was a thing he'd written himself in ballpoint pen. Or at least the cover was, and it said "Waffen SS UK Hnadbook"

Assuming they would have shown us the juicier bits had there been any given this was a public trial, he wrote 2 words and 2 abbreviations on a sheet of paper; what do we infer from that then?

 

[butchersapron]

...and a load of charts of electronics and chemical mixtures, and plans for a 2-man hit squad going round the country bombing targets.

 

[Spion]

Assuming they would have shown us the juicier bits had there been any given this was a public trial, he wrote 2 words and 2 abbreviations on a sheet of paper; what do we infer from that then?

I infer that the news report I saw used about 5 seconds of footage panning across his handwritten book (cover?) and some other items

 

[detective-boy]

...what do we infer from that then?

(a) He's an entirely harmless eccentric
(b) He's been fitted up
(c) The whole thing has been spun by "them" (a conspiracy of police / CPS / judiciary / media) to scare us all into accepting ID cards / CCTV / more anti-terror legislation * (* delete according to taste)

(This is U75 after all ... everyone knows how it works ... )

 

[London_Calling]

I'll try and clarify the question for anyone still on topic:

In relation to this much-reported shock-horror! "Waffen SS"" aspect only, he wrote 2 words and 2 abbreviations on a sheet of paper; what do we infer from that?

 

[FreddyB]

I'll try and clarify the question for anyone still on topic:

In relation to this much-reported shock-horror! "Waffen SS"" aspect only, he wrote 2 words and 2 abbreviations on a sheet of paper; what do we infer from that?

That he was a lone racist nutter who wished he was part of something bigger but he wasn't so he made a fantasy handbook for his fantasy organisation.?

 

[butchersapron]

I'll try and clarify the question for anyone still on topic:

In relation to this much-reported shock-horror! "Waffen SS"" aspect only, he wrote 2 words and 2 abbreviations on a sheet of paper; what do we infer from that?

That you missed the reports that this handbook also contained a load of charts of electronics and chemical mixtures, and plans for a 2-man hit squad going round the country bombing targets.

 

[London_Calling]

That you missed the reports that this handbook also contained a load of charts of electronics and chemical mixtures, and plans for a 2-man hit squad going round the country bombing targets.

the 'handbook' didn't contain that at all from reports I read - hence my position on the shock-horror media angle of "Waffen SS".

I don't knok what you're talking about with "charts" but the Guardian talks of other "notebooks with details of electronics and chemical mixture".

Best I've read is the 'handbook' contained his "blue-print" for . . .

 

[butchersapron]

the 'handbook' didn't contain that at all from reports I read - hence my position on the shock-horror media angle of "Waffen SS".

I don't knok what you're talking about with "charts" but the Guardian talks of other "notebooks with details of electronics and chemical mixture".

Best I've read is the 'handbook' contained his "blue-print" for . . .

There are loads of reports that say the handbook also contained what i posted above. Here's a quote from it from the Independent for example:

The searches also uncovered a handwritten notebook labelled "Waffen SS UK members' handbook" in which Lewington laid out his fascist ideology and the methods to be employed by a fictitious coterie of racists. He wrote: "A new group has been formed, the Waffen SS UK. We have 30 members split into 15 two-man cells. We are highly trained ex-military personnel and will use incendiary and explosive devices throughout the UK at random until all non-British people as defined by blood are removed from our country. This is no joke... Finally our motto: You cannot stop what cannot be stopped."

From the BBC

A notebook labelled "Waffen SS UK members' handbook" included a "device logbook" of drawings of electronics and chemical mixtures.

From the Mirror

His vile handbook, with its motto "You cannot stop what can't be stopped" had sections on "picking target areas" and "targeting/attacking p***s."

And the Guardian quote that you've used - what's the line before that -

The search also found the Waffen SS UK members' handbook, containing his blueprint for a neo-Nazi terror group

i.e what i've claimed.

 

[Stoat Boy]

I am happy for him to be locked away for a long time because its obvious that he does wish to harm other people and was willing to take that beyond the fantasy stage.

But I do wonder if this case is getting so much hype because it enables those involved in the whole legal/security/policing sections of Government to show that it aint just those pesky Muslims trying to blow us all up and that they are being fair handed despite the fact that they only caught this criminal mastermind because he had a piss on a train station.

 

[FreddyB]

Whether the reports that the SS handbook contained charts etc are right or not doesn't make any odds. He had bombs (no idea how good) and had scrawled his UK waffen ss stuff on something.

Lone racist nutter, Theodore Eicke he wasn't

 

[Stoat Boy]

Actually I dont wonder at all. Its bloody obvious that they want to promote this doughnut as some sort of Klu Klux Klan super criminal who was only prevented from killing millions of non-whites due to the utter genius of our anti-Terrorist police.

 

[butchersapron]

I am happy for him to be locked away for a long time because its obvious that he does wish to harm other people and was willing to take that beyond the fantasy stage.

But I do wonder if this case is getting so much hype because it enables those involved in the whole legal/security/policing sections of Government to show that it aint just those pesky Muslims trying to blow us all up and that they are being fair handed despite the fact that they only caught this criminal mastermind because he had a piss on a train station.

Behind the hype (aside from the obvious) is a big concerted push by the police to get more resources - see the various commnets about right-wing terrorist threats over the last month or so. It's a standard method, build up a threat and demand more money for your dept to deal with it - one that MI5 have used to very god effect over the years.

 

[FreddyB]

Actually I dont wonder at all. Its bloody obvious that they want to promote this doughnut as some sort of Klu Klux Klan super criminal who was only prevented from killing millions of non-whites due to the utter genius of our anti-Terrorist police.

They haven't really spun it much imo, he was what he was. Regardless of anything else he was a racist with bombs. Doesn't need spinning, the Waffen SS stuff is likely to make him less credible in the eyes of the public rather than more I'd have thought.

 

[Stoat Boy]

Behind the hype (aside from the obvious) is a big concerted push by the police to get more resources - see the various commnets about right-wing terrorist threats over the last month or so. It's a standard method, build up a threat and demand more money for your dept to deal with it - one that MI5 have used to very god effect over the years.

Valid points. Having a white right-wing conviction of a 'terrorist' suits everybody in Government, even if the man is just an absolute wanker.

Now being an absolute wanker does not disqualify anybody from going to Prison for a very long time and this man does need locking up but I wonder how more vocal the opposition to him being jailed on U75 might have been if it was an 'Islamic' terrorist up in front of this beak. But thats merely window dressing on this issue.

 

[The39thStep]

You really do think everyone else is a mug don't you Jesus? I must have missed the meeting where it was agreed that all terrorists must be well integrated characters with a great job, nice house, many mates and a busy social life. Somone like David Copeland for instance. In fact, highliting this twats utter alienation from normal society could well be used as evidence that he's more likely to go through with his plans.

excatly my thoughts as well and if he had no doubt there would be questions as to why wasn't he taken seriously.

 

[detective-boy]

But I do wonder if this case is getting so much hype because it enables those involved in the whole legal/security/policing sections of Government to show that it aint just those pesky Muslims trying to blow us all up ...

You lot are so predictable ...

 

[Stoat Boy]

You lot are so predictable ...

I am sure the Police officers involved are just happy to have this man locked up but you must admit it does help the whole PR effort for the 'War on Terror' to have white extremists being banged up, even if they seem really only to be a danger to themselves.

 

[The39thStep]

I am sure the Police officers involved are just happy to have this man locked up but you must admit it does help the whole PR effort for the 'War on Terror' to have white extremists being banged up, even if they seem really only to be a danger to themselves.

unbelievably juvenile

 

[FreddyB]

I am sure the Police officers involved are just happy to have this man locked up but you must admit it does help the whole PR effort for the 'War on Terror' to have white extremists being banged up, even if they seem really only to be a danger to themselves.

How is a man with bombs only a danger to himself? Just because he was a nut job loner with delusions of grandeur doesn't mean that the danger he presented and the news worthyness is exaggerated.

 

[The39thStep]

How is a man with bombs only a danger to himself? Just because he was a nut job loner with delusions of grandeur doesn't mean that the danger he presented and the news worthyness is exaggerated.

according to Stoatboy its just one big plot by the nasty state when in fact there is no threat to anyone

 

[Stoat Boy]

according to Stoatboy its just one big plot by the nasty state when in fact there is no threat to anyone

Not at all. This man was, and is, dangerous and should be locked up. I have no issues with that what so ever. Anybody who goes beyond just the mere fantasy stage of commiting a terror act deserves locking away for a long long time.

But the fact that he came to the Polices attention because he decided to have a wee on a railway station does perhaps tell you that this is not the far rights answer to Carlos the Jackal.

And does make me contrast how many of you lefties on here react to the arrest of other terrorists when they are Muslims.

The Muslim 'community' ( a clumsy term I accept) seem to feel that they are being in some ways unfairly targeted by anti-terrorism Policing. Having a high profile case like this one can be used to show that the efforts of the legal system are being spread accross the spectrum but this man was just a lone fantasist, that must be apparent to anybody reading about the case. He needs locking away, just like that Muslim would-be sucide bomber who managed to blow himself up in the toilets of a cafe needs locking away but lets not pretend that the man in question is part of some sinister world wide right wing plot to attack the most harmonious and desirable multicultural ideal that many of you hold so dear to your hearts.

He was just a hate filled prick who was a fuck up waiting to happen.

 

[marty21]

He went there for a date with a woman off the Internet.

I don't know about you but when Off on a date I always pack by copy of the waffen ss members hand book and a selection of ieds

I noticed that

"I'm meeting a stranger off the internet for a date, what should I bring to make a good impression, Flowers? no, Chocolates?, no, an SS Book and bomb making equipment, perfect, she's bound to put out"

 

[The39thStep]

Not at all. This man was, and is, dangerous and should be locked up. I have no issues with that what so ever. Anybody who goes beyond just the mere fantasy stage of commiting a terror act deserves locking away for a long long time.

But the fact that he came to the Polices attention because he decided to have a wee on a railway station does perhaps tell you that this is not the far rights answer to Carlos the Jackal.

And does make me contrast how many of you lefties on here react to the arrest of other terrorists when they are Muslims.

The Muslim 'community' ( a clumsy term I accept) seem to feel that they are being in some ways unfairly targeted by anti-terrorism Policing. Having a high profile case like this one can be used to show that the efforts of the legal system are being spread accross the spectrum but this man was just a lone fantasist, that must be apparent to anybody reading about the case. He needs locking away, just like that Muslim would-be sucide bomber who managed to blow himself up in the toilets of a cafe needs locking away but lets not pretend that the man in question is part of some sinister world wide right wing plot to attack the most harmonious and desirable multicultural ideal that many of you hold so dear to your hearts.
He was just a hate filled prick who was a fuck up waiting to happen.

who has given you that imnpression ?

 

[Stoat Boy]

who has given you that imnpression ?

The fact that he was a div ?

If he had been part of some cunning right-wing inspired terror plot to bring fear and loathing to the heart of every body with a bit of a sun tan in the UK do you really think he would be doing such things as having a drunken piss on a rail-way station ?

I have no dount that there are far-right terror groups out there planning all sorts and I am sure that they need, and are being, moinitered by MI whatever and the Police but this bloke was not one of them.

A nasty little shit bag without a shadow of a doubt and a prime contender for the title 'surplus cunt' and throughly deserving of a long time in pokey but lets not read to much into this.

 

[Bakunin]

Anybody who goes beyond just the mere fantasy stage of commiting a terror act deserves locking away for a long long time.

He needs locking away, just like that Muslim would-be sucide bomber who managed to blow himself up in the toilets of a cafe needs locking away but lets not pretend that the man in question is part of some sinister world wide right wing plot to attack the most harmonious and desirable multicultural ideal that many of you hold so dear to your hearts.

If, perchance, you're referring to Nicky Reilly, then you'll find that he had Asperger's Syndrome, an IQ of 83, a mental age of 10 and a history of mental illness. He may need treatment, but I don't think that 18 years in a prison is the best place for him to get it, when a special and secure hospital place would almost certainly be far more appropriate.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5619151.ece

 

[Stoat Boy]

If, perchance, you're referring to Nicky Reilly, then you'll find that he had Asperger's Syndrome, an IQ of 83, a mental age of 10 and a history of mental illness. He may need treatment, but I don't think that 18 years in a prison is the best place for him to get it, when a special and secure hospital place would almost certainly be far more appropriate.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5619151.ece

You could argue that the 18 years might be better spent in a secure hospital rather than a Prision but this is still a man who set out with the intention of killing other people. I have no problems with the sentence he got.

But he was part of something much larger in terms of organisation. With regards to the case being discussed here there is no serious suggestion that this man was anything other than just a nasty little fucktard.

But both would have killed innocent parties if given the chance and both should be taken off the streets.

 

[The39thStep]

The fact that he was a div ?

If he had been part of some cunning right-wing inspired terror plot to bring fear and loathing to the heart of every body with a bit of a sun tan in the UK do you really think he would be doing such things as having a drunken piss on a rail-way station ?

I have no dount that there are far-right terror groups out there planning all sorts and I am sure that they need, and are being, moinitered by MI whatever and the Police but this bloke was not one of them.

A nasty little shit bag without a shadow of a doubt and a prime contender for the title 'surplus cunt' and throughly deserving of a long time in pokey but lets not read to much into this.

no the last bit in the sentence i highlighted

 

[The39thStep]

If, perchance, you're referring to Nicky Reilly, then you'll find that he had Asperger's Syndrome, an IQ of 83, a mental age of 10 and a history of mental illness. He may need treatment, but I don't think that 18 years in a prison is the best place for him to get it, when a special and secure hospital place would almost certainly be far more appropriate.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5619151.ece

Obviously such a key issue deserves a national campaign?

 

[Bakunin]

Obviously such a key issue deserves a national campaign?

I can't find any evidence of a national campaign for Nicky Reilly, but the National Autistic Society is heavily involved in the campaign on behalf of Gary McKinnon.

http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1895&a=18512

Regarding the Reilly case, I note that, when the defence requested that the judge adjourn the case to examine psychiatric reports into Reilly's mental state, the judge refused to even see the reports as he thought that Reilly's mental state was irrelevent to his crime.