SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
Then I guess we'll have to skip the party political phase and just start burning down polling stations
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Then I guess we'll have to skip the party political phase and just start burning down polling stations
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Not bad if you live in the UK. I'd like to think that there are better ways of doing things, but someone is yet to show me one.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Then I guess we'll have to skip the party political phase and just start burning down polling stations
I'm sure you're joking, but I have to wonder how far away that really is now.
We have large numbers of people who don't vote, not as the government would wish to claim, because they're apathetic and lazy, but because they geniunely believe that none of the electable options represents their interests in any way. In parallel, our government have twisted the laws concerning protest, in order to deliberately conflate most of the effective forms of protest with terrorism or otherwise provide the police with means to suppress them. So we're fucked either way, we can't vote for someone who represents our interests, because there isn't anyone like that who could conceivably get elected and we can't employ any of the traditional alternative ways to influence the government because that would make us all into terrorists or get us banged up on dodgy conspiracy charges or something of that sort.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
Then I guess we'll have to skip the party political phase and just start burning down polling stations
Haha, yeah but we know the left- and far-left, there would be too many discussions about which polling stations to burn. The election would be over by the time the (inevitably SWP organised) squad turned up with the necessaries xD
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
Conservative just out of reflexive loyalty - although I have shatteringly low expectations and don't really expect much difference from the current mob.
Talkie Toaster
New Member
I'm wavering between Lib-dem or Other. I'd like to see what's on the manifesto's really, but whatever is on the Tory or Labour manifesto they won't be getting my vote.
Stay Beautiful
Well-Known Member
Probably Green. Maybe Respect (if they bother here, they did okay last time IIRC).
For the same reasons as always: David Lammy has a very healthy majority, little chance of losing and I therefore don't want to encourage the twat. Seems a lot of people had the same idea at the last election and given he's by no means covered himself in glory in the last few years, I'm sure they'll probably be many more for the next one.
For the same reasons as always: David Lammy has a very healthy majority, little chance of losing and I therefore don't want to encourage the twat. Seems a lot of people had the same idea at the last election and given he's by no means covered himself in glory in the last few years, I'm sure they'll probably be many more for the next one.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
Tottenham result 2005
David LAMMY (Labour) 18,343 (57.9 -9.6)
Wayne HOBAN (Lib Dem) 5,309 (16.8 +7.3)
William MCDOUGALL (Conservatives) 4,278 (13.5 -0.4)
Janet ALDER (Respect) 2,014 (6.4 -)
Pete MCASKIE (Green) 1,457 (4.6 +0.0)
Jaamit DURRANI (Soc Labour) 263 (0.8 -)
obanite
Kroketten
Meh. Probably Lib Dems, it's the only real option to get the current bunch of cunts out. They do talk a lot about social justice, so I think they'd be a bit better than the Tories or Labour.
Kinda in a Labour stronghold here though. We'll see when it's closer I guess.
I'd like to vote Green if I believed they had a chance.
Kinda in a Labour stronghold here though. We'll see when it's closer I guess.
I'd like to vote Green if I believed they had a chance.
Stay Beautiful
Well-Known Member
That was a shocking result for the Tories considering the circumstances. They're surprisingly active here and the chairman of the Tottenham Conservatives is the original 'Tory Boy' Justin Hinchcliffe. He in particular seems to froth at the mouth about the Lib-Dems: http://hunterandshooter.blogspot.com/ Truly the proverbial bald man fighting over a comb. I've voted Lib-Dem the last 2 times partly just to annoy the bastards.
Tis the correct way to go about it IMO.
Well this is a shocker.
I expected the poll to go in favour of labour with 'others' fielding well but not as a single party entity.
I didn't expect much support for lib dems or my favoured lot.
What this does seem to show is a lot of people totally pissed off with corrupt politics in the UK.
Perhaps it would be good news for the politicians to see the thread and consider changing their way before they get an rude awakening.
I think I'll try the same poll on another forum just to get a second opinion from a different cross section of society.
I'll post their results on here just to show interested people what I came up with.
I expected the poll to go in favour of labour with 'others' fielding well but not as a single party entity.
I didn't expect much support for lib dems or my favoured lot.
What this does seem to show is a lot of people totally pissed off with corrupt politics in the UK.
Perhaps it would be good news for the politicians to see the thread and consider changing their way before they get an rude awakening.
I think I'll try the same poll on another forum just to get a second opinion from a different cross section of society.
I'll post their results on here just to show interested people what I came up with.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I think the politicians answer is probably to make voting compulsory ...
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
without violating the secrecy of the ballot box you can't actually force people to choose.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
I would wipe my arse on the ballot paper after a particularly vigorous work out.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I have to agree. After the bent end of post Thatcher Tory greed when our gray friend lost control of the naughty end of his party we saw the nails going into the coffin of UK politics.
Bent Blair, Mandleson the mortgage and a few more of his highly corrupt mates provided the hammer.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I would happily vote for a Tory Party that applied conservatism and Burke and Disraeli understood it -- evolution over revolution -- but not the callow parade of power-grubbering market fundamentalists and social democrats we have in Mr Cameron's party.
So I imagine I'll be abstaining by spoiling my ballot paper, as the election authorities rudely leave off a "none of the above" box.
So I imagine I'll be abstaining by spoiling my ballot paper, as the election authorities rudely leave off a "none of the above" box.
Talkie Toaster
New Member
This would be a good thing, as long as there was a space for "none of the above". The current problem with ballot spoiling is that it isn't _really_ counted. If it became part of the process, rather than the exception then I think it would make much more difference than it currently does.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
The question of a "nota" as a candidate has been raised many times, with the current situation being that it is not permitted to have it as your candidate name, or your party description.
Under our current system, "nota" could potentially "win" a constituency vote, which then opens up the question of what to do next. Does the second placed "real" candidate win? Is there a run-off of the top two, (or three, four in Wales/Scotland?). Does that constituency have to go through a whole Parliament without representation at all (insofar as it may do so now, but that's a distraction...)
I have had to remind people that, were they to spoil their ballot or write "balls to this lot" all over it, those ballots are still counted, and should be registered in the full results list available from councils. The fact that they are not counted as part of the candidates tally is unfortunate, but until (unless?) we get a fairer voting system there is not a lot of scope for "nota" as an option.
passthesalt
Optimistic Cynic
To give the obvious quote from Animal Farm "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. "
My advice which is worth nuffing - Don't vote - you know it only encourages them.
PS - "Joke" of the day - Eric Pickles (Tory Chair) in todays Indie on Sun - the Tory party "does not believe in class politics"
I rather like Orwell's work. I like to think of his dogs when I see the riot in Greece thread.
Back to this one and it is looking that way in british politics at the moment but I'm hoping that the Tories have learned from their mistakes in the end of their last government.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
That is an essential misreading of Orwells allegory tbf.
The dogs where state agents of the snowball-stalin and not an expression of rage from the animal-peoples
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Re-run the election, and keep re-running it until an actual candidate can command a majority.
I don't imagine it'd happen much, but it could persuade candidates to have policies instead of platitudes.
My vote goes to the Lib Dems, I just wish they had never got rid of Charles Kennedy. I wish either him or Vince Cable were leader rather than Nick 'Quieter than mute mouse' Clegg.
I'd never vote Tory and Labour lost my vote after they drunk that poisoned chalice of Thatcherism.
I'd never vote Tory and Labour lost my vote after they drunk that poisoned chalice of Thatcherism.
liampreston
Spend time, not money
A much shorter and cheaper option would be to use STV, where a candidate must have 50% to win the seat.
The dogs were the agents of the post revolutionary pigs if i recall correctly.
Given the comrades are trying for revolution it strikes me the rioters are the first of their dogs.
