JHE
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That's accurate, I know. I'm well aware that Stoke Newington is one of those parts of London where very well-off people and very poor people are just a stone's throw apart.
Vote labour to keep the tories out?
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That's accurate, I know. I'm well aware that Stoke Newington is one of those parts of London where very well-off people and very poor people are just a stone's throw apart.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Unscientific anecdotal evidence alert
A funny thing, that. They do seem to be pretty popular. I speak people all the timer who say they're lifelong Labour voters, but will be voting SNP next time. However, mention Kenny MacAskill (which I usually do), and he seems universally loathed. (A loathing I share). So, their popularity seems to be despite him.
It is one thing 'holding your nose' and voting NewLabour to get rid of the Tories in the period before Labour's new policies had been put in place, but not the same now that we have seen the effect of these policies over the years.
As my constituency has more likelyhood of going from Labour to LibDem (I couldn't vote for them either) then I will vote Green.
I hope to see a hung parliament, or best of all a hanged parliament.
As my constituency has more likelyhood of going from Labour to LibDem (I couldn't vote for them either) then I will vote Green.
I hope to see a hung parliament, or best of all a hanged parliament.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
I'm fairly confident in saying that Diane Abbott lives in Dalston/Haggerson. You could argue that's near Old St, but it's certainly not posher than Stoke Newington.
Anyway, on the substantive issue of her son's schooling - that is unforgivable. She was rightly pilloried by everyone in the Labour Party for that. However, she's not going to lose her seat any time soon. If deselected by the party her replacement would almost certainly be a rightwinger.
Anyway, on the substantive issue of her son's schooling - that is unforgivable. She was rightly pilloried by everyone in the Labour Party for that. However, she's not going to lose her seat any time soon. If deselected by the party her replacement would almost certainly be a rightwinger.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
ermm..I think they've already forced her to stand down next time round, at least partly over this
Unless I've missed some earth shattering bit of news, they really haven't.
Matt
P.S. I just realised that I didn't do my 'full disclosure' bit at the start of this thread - I am the Green Party's candidate for Hackney North and Stoke Newington, so clearly am somewhat biased.
Matt
P.S. I just realised that I didn't do my 'full disclosure' bit at the start of this thread - I am the Green Party's candidate for Hackney North and Stoke Newington, so clearly am somewhat biased.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
I'm pretty sure 'they' haven't. I'm on the exec of the local party. She passed the selection trigger ballot with (IIRC) nine wards voting in her favour and two (the most rightwing) voting against her.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Anyway.... any scared labour voters out there?
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Yes, talk of fundamental political reform, even revolutionary change, can be heard on the TV, in the print media and on the 'net.
Sieze the time!
maomao
普費斯
Dalston isn't Hackney North. It's Hackney South and Shoreditch. And I live at the North end of Dalston.
JHE
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Pundits have used the word 'revolution'. It must be time to set up the barricades.
What do you do when you see some TV advert blathering on about a revolutionary new washing powder? Reach for the Kalashnikov?
Seize a hold on reality, lest it slip completely away from you!
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Voting Labour would be like going back to an abusive partner because loneliness scares you more.
The Tories *will* leave you very alone, but it's time to just walk away from Labour - it barely even matters which direction at this point, because all roads lead to Neo-liberal City anyway...
The Tories *will* leave you very alone, but it's time to just walk away from Labour - it barely even matters which direction at this point, because all roads lead to Neo-liberal City anyway...
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
Dalston ward is in Hackney North and Stoke Newington constituency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackney_North_and_Stoke_Newington_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
he, if Matt's gonna be the Green candidate, he really should work out where he's trying to represent!
completely irrelevant in the main election - my Labour MP has a 20,000 majority which makes my vote worthless. I don't know what i'd do if it was a 20 vote majority. The Tories would mean the end of the NHS and welfare state but Labour have been fucking up both anyway
If they are talking about revolutionary change on mainstream television, then it isn't going to happen soon. They are just teasing you.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
lol
There are many reasons why a violent revolution in a democratic and industrialised country is unlikely in the extreme. Most people have too much too lose; and there may be institutional ways of achieving the changes needed.
The reality is that people do want change, but no-one is yet promoting a credible and coherent package of reforms. Which should of course include a Land Rent Tax.
maomao
普費斯
Well, ignoring the wikipedia link that doesn't work I can only say that I live in Central Dalston, by the cinema, north of the train station and my MP is Meg Hillier.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How many people are though? Recent polls suggest people are ok with getting fucked by labour, don't want to get fucked by tories. The two i'm, thinking of were in old labour territory as well. Placs were tories never going to win but the tories relying on stay at home or lib-dem voting.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's the under 10 00 maj seats i was thinking about.
a hard one then....like the poster about the abusive partner i guess. They have treated us like shit, utter contempt for 11 years. The Tories would destroy the country but ...hmmm!!
The old Reform or Revolution debate is so much harder now that even the word reform itself has had its meaning changed to 'made worse'.
Perhaps after all revolution is inevitable at some time. Let's wait until the chatterati have moved on to other topics. Nice shoes those.
Perhaps after all revolution is inevitable at some time. Let's wait until the chatterati have moved on to other topics. Nice shoes those.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
The constituencies were amended in 2006 so you will be voting in Hackney North next general election.
Compare the red and blue boundary lines here http://www.election-maps.co.uk/index.jsp
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There was a debate. The question is pathetic. As rosa demonstrated.
maomao
普費斯
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Hope this isn't as banal as it sounds... but there's a long way to go to the next election. Before the expenses thing there was a strong and genuine anti-Labour/Brown sentiment - which Cameron was harvesting. Cameron was saying all the right things and harvesting middle class grievance, whilst Labout were doing nothing to keep working class voters loyal (quite the opposite of course). However, I doubt the pro-Tory/~Cameron sentiments were that deep and there was already a sliver of anti-politician sentiment around.
Since then, the expenses thing has certainly strengthened the anti-politician thing - and again Cameron has been quicker off the mark than Brown in saying the right thing. In the next year it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Might strengthen the base for greens, ukip et al, but might not. Will take more than this to get a genuine loyalty for them and something that overides the normal (class and other) loyalties. Its also of course a first past the post system. Any gains made in Europe won't necessarily translate into Westminster setas (in fact are unlikely to). There's also the recession. Not impossible to imagine Brown clawing back some support on the back of an improving housing market etc.
Edit: what I meant to say is that there's a chance that an even more battered version of 2/3 party politics will return over the next year - albeit with the main paties still competing to say they've done more than the other lot to 'clean up' politics. Main reason - the electoral system.
Since then, the expenses thing has certainly strengthened the anti-politician thing - and again Cameron has been quicker off the mark than Brown in saying the right thing. In the next year it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Might strengthen the base for greens, ukip et al, but might not. Will take more than this to get a genuine loyalty for them and something that overides the normal (class and other) loyalties. Its also of course a first past the post system. Any gains made in Europe won't necessarily translate into Westminster setas (in fact are unlikely to). There's also the recession. Not impossible to imagine Brown clawing back some support on the back of an improving housing market etc.
Edit: what I meant to say is that there's a chance that an even more battered version of 2/3 party politics will return over the next year - albeit with the main paties still competing to say they've done more than the other lot to 'clean up' politics. Main reason - the electoral system.
Stay Beautiful
Well-Known Member
I will be. I'll be in Thurrock for the next election. The sort of seat the Tories will be looking to win if they want a healthy majority. I realise it is a small gap between Labour and Tory but people do live in that gap. I remember from first job after leaving school was about a year before the minimum wage came in and I was on about £2.85 an hour. And this was with one of the biggest richest corporations in the world.
So things like that, tax credits, a few other bits and pieces which just about ensure no one slips into absolute poverty. I've heard stuff from the Tories about the private sector having a vital future role with regards to welfare etc. I can read between the lines as to what that means! So fuck 'em.
The ultra left idea that if the Tories win it'll galvanise opposition etc seems very dubious to me. The US has been going this way for years and rather than any sort of opposition developing, it seems to be more and more a case of all against all.
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