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Vote Boris for London Mayor

poster342002 said:
Sod the pair of them, tbh.

Well, the office of mayor doesn't come with a great deal of power. The office was created as a facsimile of the US directly elected mayors but US mayors have a lot more power. Blair and his acolytes came up with this popularity contest that would be fought between two personalities rather than reinstate the GLC.

Ken opposed PPP and on that basis, for me at least, his nose is in front.
 
Vote Boris.. Fuck Off..

The man is a very goop arguement for the extermination of the upper classes..

Imagine if London suffers another 7th July or god forbid a 9/11 attack.. can you imagine Boris as the mayor of London..

"gosh.. what..er.. these Al Qeada chappies..er.. very bad form you know.. flying planes in to ..err.. what.. canary wharf..."
 
Dj TAB said:
Well maybe it's just me...

I know he harks from around Oxford, and is a buffoon capable of the most excellent malapropisms but I think London would benefit from somebody more personable at the helm than the most poisonous Mr Livingstone.

Poll included for your delight, over to you Urbz..
-ed, please can we put a poll up??

..and he rides a bike too!

Don't be bloody silly, TAB.

Doesn't he only ride a bike cos he's banned anyway?
 
shagnasty said:
they are great survivors i am in two minds regards pigeons they are a pest but you can.t deny them the right to try to survive ,they are one of natures creatures. there are two or three spots where i live were people put out food for the birds and it's mostly the pigeons who tuck in

the homeless are being run out of town:(
 
kyser_soze said:
Why are they a tempting party for me? You know severely LESS than fuck all about my poltical views, and I'm certainly no Tory voter. I'd sooner castrate myself then bathe in a vat of salty vinegar than vote Tory.

Give it a few years.
 
Nah, while I may seem temprementally a Tory it's only cos the current offerings from what's left of the left are dull, uninspired and seem to have ignored the last 30 years.
 
Who are you? and making disparaging remarks about a city as culturally rich as Liverpool (and where a fair few urbanites hail from) is not the best way to introduce yourself.


Actually he does, in Islington. And he certainly has the right views about Liverpool and Portsmouth....
 
kyser_soze said:
Nah, while I may seem temprementally a Tory it's only cos the current offerings from what's left of the left are dull, uninspired and seem to have ignored the last 30 years.

RTS, WOMBLES etc?

I agree the SWP and RESPECT are dull as ditchwater but I wouldn't class them as left wing.
 
Sad fact is not one of the candidates are good.

I hate Livingstone, but the Lib Dems and Tories have been a poor option too and I would not vote for Green on principle, so fuck all choice really.

I'll have to vote with my feet again.
 
JHE said:
One of Boris' rivals for the Tory nomination is a Harrow councillor called Lurline Champagnie. She has some strong views.

.....

Sadly, I don't think she has much chance.

Well, shes in the final six. I can't see anyone other than Boris winning the public vote in the primary, because of 'brand name' recognition.

Still waiting to see what he has to offer, other than not being Livingstone.......
 
Andy the Don said:
Vote Boris.. Fuck Off..

The man is a very goop arguement for the extermination of the upper classes..

Imagine if London suffers another 7th July or god forbid a 9/11 attack.. can you imagine Boris as the mayor of London..

"gosh.. what..er.. these Al Qeada chappies..er.. very bad form you know.. flying planes in to ..err.. what.. canary wharf..."

:D :D
 
lostexpectation said:
isn't two terms enough for ken?

Yes, but we don't have a term limit system in this country.

IMHO what we need is not term limits so much as compulsory primaries like this one for all parties.

How you would introduce that is moot though-so much of our system is based on tradition and precident rather than firm rules.

Given the US system it may be a can of worms not worth opening. *If* he wins again someone should seriously talk to Ken about making his next term his last.
 
London Boy said:
Sad fact is not one of the candidates are good.

I hate Livingstone, but the Lib Dems and Tories have been a poor option too and I would not vote for Green on principle, so fuck all choice really.

I'll have to vote with my feet again.

why?
 
keicar said:
Yes, but we don't have a term limit system in this country.

IMHO what we need is not term limits so much as compulsory primaries like this one for all parties.

How you would introduce that is moot though-so much of our system is based on tradition and precident rather than firm rules.

Given the US system it may be a can of worms not worth opening. *If* he wins again someone should seriously talk to Ken about making his next term his last.

why the need for primaries? if the electorate does not like the way a candidate has been selected, they don't have to vote for him/her.
 
guinnessdrinker said:
why the need for primaries? if the electorate does not like the way a candidate has been selected, they don't have to vote for him/her.


There seems to be an obsession with US-style politics all of a sudden. The Tories have introduced primaries to their internal electoral process and we now have directly elected mayors, that are largely based on the US model but with fewer powers.

Candidates used to "stand" for election in this country, now they "run".
 
Vote Boris for Mayor!?!?!?!?! Never on this side of hell or the other. Can you imagine what a fucking embarrassment he'd be every time he opened his mouth? At least Ken Livingstone is capable of saying sensible things sometimes; I've never seen any evidence of that with Boris. He's a chariacature of an upper-class twit which is okay for comedic purposes if you go for that sort of thing (although imo it has a short shelf-life) but is totally superfluous in serious politics.
 

Because I find the Green movement to have a very unhealthy dose of misanthropy. Dr. Lucas talks of the need to "control" the thrid world population and some in the GP and in other Green groups have even suggested that such "control" may have to be imposed, they often cite the brutal and inhumane One Child Policy. Malthus has been brought back from the cobwebs of the 19th century as the new Green hero, despite many demographists saying Malthus' theories were false.

I find the Green movement, maybe due to the fact that it is made up of comfortable middle class types in the first world, very much a movement that looks down upon the rest of us from an ivory tower. They place the needs of wildlife and animals above the needs of the thrid world nations to develop and lift themselves out of poverty, their dislike of China's growth and lifting it's people (a lot of them) out of poverty to first world standards.

The same applies to poorer people like myself over in the UK. They want more expensive flights or to ban them altogether (depending which group talks of the issue). In other words, make holidays out of reach for people like me and only have a few overcharghed flights or cruise trips, which only the middle classes or above can afford. A case of the moralistic affluent waging a reverse class war on those not so affluent, so fuck them.

Then there are the looney fringes of the Green movement, the Animal Liberation Front, the Earth First etc... They openly display a dislike for humans in general. The ALF oppose testing on animals which has saved countless lives and helped in medical research. Then there was that qoute from some loon in EF about why we should not mourn or assist those unfortunates in Africa dying of AIDS as it was 'Mother Nature' exacting her revenge.

Yes certain resources are finite, yes we could be altering the planets atmospheric temperature, but regressing back to a more backward era is not the answer. Humans evolve, we are a species of intelligent lifeform unique to our planet, maybe the universe. As humans are loyalties must always be to our own species and our well being, not submit ourselves to a defeatist fate or 'Mother Nature' (which does not exist, the Deep Greens/primitivists have shown themselves to be a superstitious and as dogmatic as the religious fundies here).

I favour pragmatism here. Conserve our planet for a while, enough time to sort out the problems of poverty, development etc... and then move into space. We have already found 100s of planets now and some of them could sustain us, lets work towards branching out a little. For me the answer lies in greater progression in our evolution and technology, that will save us and not regression.

Say we did regress and go back to being unadvance and more rural and all the other things the Greenies say we should do. That could save us from hotter weather, but like the dinosaurs, we could be wiped out in a flash by a meteor or some other disaster, so we need to either leave the planet someday or die with it.

Also, technologies like GM foods and nuclear power could assist us, GM foods could assist in making more food with less resources and land and nuclear energy is not a big emission producer. Yet the Greens show dogmatism in opposing it outright without regard for a proper analysis.

I know I have written a bit, but on principle I just don't trust the Green movement, they have their own agenda too and like any political force, they can twist the truth and distort whats going on to their own dogma.
 
So whats your dogma, London boy?, oh and btw, the green movement is a very very diverse beast you know.


I know I have written a bit, but on principle I just don't trust the Green movement, they have their own agenda too and like any political force, they can twist the truth and distort whats going on to their own dogma.
 
To be honest, I share a lot of London Boy's concerns about the Green movement. Some of it does worry me for a lot of the reasons he states.

What truly alarms me is how the only criticism of this movement seems to come from the right (for their own reasosn and agendas). The left has - rather typically - been frighened into submission and remains silent at best or does it's grinning nodding-dog act at worst.
 
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