did i use the word is
nope, still feel free to construct your own inane confused and devensive narrative.
Voices of Resistance from Occupied London
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did i use the word is
nope, still feel free to construct your own inane confused and devensive narrative.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Yer maw.
takes one to know one
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
as i said your self indulgent.....
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Walter Davis Pidgeon (September 23 1897 - September 25 1984) was an American actor of Canadian birth, who lived most of his life in the United States, and eventually became a U.S. citizen.
cwipes
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Parmigiano-Reggiano is a hard, fat granular cheese, cooked but not pressed, named after the producing areas of Parma, Reggio Emilia, Modena, Bologna, in Emilia-Romagna, and Mantova, in Lombardy, Italy.
Parmigiano is simply the Italian adjective for Parma; the French version, Parmesan, is used in the English language. The term Parmesan is also loosely used as a common term for cheeses imitating true Parmesan cheese, especially outside Europe; within Europe, the Parmesan name is classified as a protected designation of origin.
Parmigiano is simply the Italian adjective for Parma; the French version, Parmesan, is used in the English language. The term Parmesan is also loosely used as a common term for cheeses imitating true Parmesan cheese, especially outside Europe; within Europe, the Parmesan name is classified as a protected designation of origin.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Ignore them then. You can be spending the time off doing lots of things for the working class instead
Why is it, if people put the effort into something to make it look nice it is criticised for being sold out, funded by somebodies hedge fund or some shit. Then if the magazine was written on bog roll you'd get the same people complaining that it looked crap and wouldn't reach a wider audience.
This gets to the heart of what is wrong with anarchism and other political currents like it. People want utopia but only utopia on their own terms and everyone elses utopia is shit.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I've just printed that off on the strength of the Manuel Castells article...looking forward to beadying that at home this evening...
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
or hmmm.do you actually know what a trust fund is?
incidentally anarchists are not allowede to know tories?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
do you actually know what a trust fund is?
incidentally anarchists are not allowede to know tories?
Of course not; in fact everyone you know has to be clothed in sackcloth and ashes and live in a box somewhere in East London, to ensure idelogical purity. Don't you know anything?
On Occupied London...I really tried hard to like it. The answers Castells gives, and the article on Human Strikes both had excellent moment, but the interview questions were terrible, and the way it was transcribed it appears that the interviewers just ploughed on with using buzz-phrases in their questions even after Castells says 'Don't use them'.
The articles on the Tiqqun stuff were very interesting...well, at least when it stuck to analysis of them and didn't wander off into Christ knows what rhetorical flourishes. The rest of it...try hard is the phrase that comes to mind. There was a constant air of 'look at us and how clever we are' from so much of this...
do you actually know what a trust fund is?
incidentally anarchists are not allowede to know tories?
IMO anarchists should have nothing to do with tories. However that is provided they are anarcho-communists while at the other end of the anarchist spectrum there is very little difference from neo-con ideology with its obbseesion with regards to the individual. In short the tories you know are probably more anarchist than what you are
and this would explain why your pals with kyserIgnore them then. You can be spending the time off doing lots of things for the working class instead
well your lot are clearly spending so much time at gigs hanging out with tories that someone has got to !
surely the point is, is that these magazines do not look nice and are not even usefull as toilet paper! IMO anarchism in this century is now about being called an anarchist rather than actually being an anarchist. Friends with tories indeed
ska invita
back on the other side
yeah the questions to Castells are really an OTT pseudo-intellectual nightmare - even Castells doesnt understand what the interviewer is on about!
im not an anti-intellectual, but what is the point in talking in a way that no-one understands but a tiny tiny minority? pointless.
There's a great graphic feature from Edd from LAst Hours about climate camp in it though, so you can always just look at the pictures!
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
IMO anarchists should have nothing to do with tories. However that is provided they are anarcho-communists while at the other end of the anarchist spectrum there is very little difference from neo-con ideology with its obbseesion with regards to the individual. In short the tories you know are probably more anarchist than what you are
errr.....................
I'm not "pals with kyser"
I'm not an anarchist. really.
though i am more anarchist than the tories i know, trust me. i know actual fascists too mind,
but in all honesty i still don't think you've a clue what you're talking about, but hey ho....
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
surely the point is, is that these magazines do not look nice and are not even usefull as toilet paper! IMO anarchism in this century is now about being called an anarchist rather than actually being an anarchist. Friends with tories indeed
Yeah fuck my friends! fucking tories!
maggie out!
dickweed!
I was initially prejudiced against this but had a look anyway, and enjoyed reading the Manuel Castells interview (someone who I have never heard of before) - at least the answers he gave, rather than the long-winded questions, which I started skipping as they made my brain hurt.
His reply when asked about 'anarchism' and 'neo-anarchism':
"The main ideas of anarchism (anti-statism, freedom, communes, peace, international solidarity, rejection of bureaucratic organizations, love of nature, gender equality, and the like) are present today as they were in the 19th century. But similar ideas in an entirely different historical contexts have a somewhat different meaning, this is why I call it neo. The main proposition is that the new technological environment and the network society induce social and political conditions in which Marxist categories appear to be obsolete while the Anarchist themes resonate with current social movements. Anarchy is utopia, anarchism is ideology. Social movements are increasingly rooted in anarchist themes, even if they would not call themselves anarchists. However, what will be the historical outcome of the practice of these social movements is an open question..."
http://www.occupiedlondon.org/castells
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PS. It is sad that most of the posts on this thread have not been discussing the contents of this magasine, but instead have followed someone off-topic. Trolls can only derail threads if people actually respond/react to them.
His reply when asked about 'anarchism' and 'neo-anarchism':
"The main ideas of anarchism (anti-statism, freedom, communes, peace, international solidarity, rejection of bureaucratic organizations, love of nature, gender equality, and the like) are present today as they were in the 19th century. But similar ideas in an entirely different historical contexts have a somewhat different meaning, this is why I call it neo. The main proposition is that the new technological environment and the network society induce social and political conditions in which Marxist categories appear to be obsolete while the Anarchist themes resonate with current social movements. Anarchy is utopia, anarchism is ideology. Social movements are increasingly rooted in anarchist themes, even if they would not call themselves anarchists. However, what will be the historical outcome of the practice of these social movements is an open question..."
http://www.occupiedlondon.org/castells
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PS. It is sad that most of the posts on this thread have not been discussing the contents of this magasine, but instead have followed someone off-topic. Trolls can only derail threads if people actually respond/react to them.
chilango
Ha! Ha! Armageddon
cantsin
Well-Known Member
lol - another one of those threads that attracts the great minds of our generation along , spouting cliches about books they've never read ....
honestly , before the internet, what did you lot do you sad fucks ?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I've read one of Castells books before - The Informational City, which was late 80s/early 90s, and it's was the second book he published that examined his twin concepts of the 'space of flows' and networked culture. Given that the basis of the space of flows is pretty wooly post-modernism in itself, for him to be having problems with some of the questions speaks volumes!
As I said, it was the same with the 'Human Strike after Human Strike' piece - you have to wade too much to find the good stuff!
As I said, it was the same with the 'Human Strike after Human Strike' piece - you have to wade too much to find the good stuff!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I've found castells to be a very interesting and challenging thinker - his three volume Information Age series should really be read by all concerned with the modern world and can be used by those with approaches more radical than his own, but i'm wary of any moves to place him within some explicitly anarchist framework (in fact from skimming that article, he seems to resist this himself).
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
It's always difficult to tell someone's tone of voice in their answers from a basic Q&A style of reporting like that, but there does seem to be some frustration on his part. I also loved his reply to the question involving the 'liquid cultre':
'What is a a liquid culture? Were cultures ever solid before?'
So BA - what's your take on the space of flows? I think of it in terms of cultural architecture, but one that unlike physical artchitecture can rearrange itself -indeed, has to rearrange itself - as immediate needs permit, but that has a support infrastructure that is more fixed (eg. power relationships). Another 'image' I have of it is as a river of power relationships...but I've neve really had a firm idea about it that unlocks his writing on it...
'What is a a liquid culture? Were cultures ever solid before?'
So BA - what's your take on the space of flows? I think of it in terms of cultural architecture, but one that unlike physical artchitecture can rearrange itself -indeed, has to rearrange itself - as immediate needs permit, but that has a support infrastructure that is more fixed (eg. power relationships). Another 'image' I have of it is as a river of power relationships...but I've neve really had a firm idea about it that unlocks his writing on it...
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