ChrisC said:I'm sorry to say I have had it with Windows and I'm currently using the latest version Ubuntu and it's sweet.![]()
F**k Vista and Microshite.
at the risk of sounding cock sure there is a world of difference between a ghosted work set up which allows for infinate reosurces to be thrown at a problem than a home user set up which will be unique to the user...ChrisFilter said:No, I don't think for a second you're making them up, but these all sound like common problems that have all now been resolved.
Edit: I see from above that these are recent problems, gutted, but this just hasn't been my experience nor the experience of anyone I've spoken to on the subject before.
If you list the model numbers of the problematic hardware I'll see if I can help.
sojourner said:Yes
Am having this exact same issue with this myself at the moment. It's incompatible with the call logging software we use. Marvellous. Am gonna have to downgrade to XP if poss![]()
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ChrisFilter said:On a new system, Vista every time. The flakiness existed upon release, a year ago. 99% of things are fine now.
It's worth it for many reasons, it's faster, slicker, easier to use. All the things you'd expect for a new OS.
Check out the other Vista thread, nothing more needs to be said really.
The bottom line is:
Don't bother upgrading from XP, but on a new build, choose Vista. It's better.

GarfieldLeChat said:at the risk of sounding cock sure there is a world of difference between a ghosted work set up which allows for infinate reosurces to be thrown at a problem than a home user set up which will be unique to the user...
inc standard hardware builds to?ChrisFilter said:I work in the SME arena, so a million different OS setups.. no ghosting for us, sadly. Wish there was! We're introducing standard builds soon through a program called N-Able.
Not on Vista Home you can't - VH was purchased pre-installed as I thought I only needed bog standard OS for the PCs to run the software - the comms company also thought this. WRONG!Pingu said:you can run apps in xp mode under vista on the .exe right click and select properties and then under compatibility select the mode you want it to run in.
may or may not work for your particular programmes

sojourner said:Not on Vista Home you can't - VH was purchased pre-installed as I thought I only needed bog standard OS for the PCs to run the software - the comms company also thought this. WRONG!
Thankfully, Dell have come to the rescue and are sending me 2 XP discs
Twatting Vista![]()
GarfieldLeChat said:inc standard hardware builds to?
Ayeskunkboy69 said:Is that the Home basic? My Home Premium lets me do it.
sojourner said:Not on Vista Home you can't - VH was purchased pre-installed as I thought I only needed bog standard OS for the PCs to run the software - the comms company also thought this. WRONG!
Thankfully, Dell have come to the rescue and are sending me 2 XP discs
Twatting Vista![]()
Yeh, let's put the blame on the software developers who don't work for a bajillionaire's company (who should have fucking well put an option all ALL new OSs to downgrade)ChrisFilter said:Not really Vista's fault. The software developer should really have released an update by now. I appreciate your frustration though.

i'm sorry it appears you system isn't supported, under the terms of our contract...ChrisFilter said:Well, we always sell the standard HP business desktops, but clients will always be seduced by PC World adverts and go and buy their own 'Advent' number from time to time...

should they?ChrisFilter said:Not really Vista's fault. The software developer should really have released an update by now. I appreciate your frustration though.
sojourner said:Yeh, let's put the blame on the software developers who don't work for a bajillionaire's company (who should have fucking well put an option all ALL new OSs to downgrade)![]()
GarfieldLeChat said:i'm sorry it appears you system isn't supported, under the terms of our contract...![]()
GarfieldLeChat said:should they?
why?
microsoft released vista too earlier and they know it, look at the turn around for the service pack 1 which is the shortest in any M$ dev time for an os.... they knew it wasn't ready like IE7 before them but instead of releasing when it's good and ready they had to get the rush on cos of osx and intel macs....
they also have little faith in their OS after all why would they continue to support xp til 2010 (which if 2000 is anything to go by will be extended to an sp4 maybe even an sp5...) either way there'll be a new M$ OS out by that time which will remvoe the need to ever go near vista... regardless of the benifits of vista it is another ME, in principal a good idea but too limited in terms of function and dev time to be of any use...
But there SHOULDN'T be! Jesus christ - all the money poured into creating one, and businesses lose money because it comes as standard on all new machines?! Come on, stop defending it - it's indefensibleChrisFilter said:There will always be casualties when a new Microsoft OS comes out.
sojourner said:But there SHOULDN'T be! Jesus christ - all the money poured into creating one, and businesses lose money because it comes as standard on all new machines?! Come on, stop defending it - it's indefensible
(whispers 4 years takes us to 2011ChrisFilter said:Service Pack 1 hasn't been out yet, I don't think?
Vista will be around for a long time to come, at the very least it'll be the next 4 years.
)it's also if may say slightly illogical consdiering the lengths which M$ go to to support win 3.2 (which of course is precisely why their system is still prone to viruses hacks and exploits) if they go to all that lenght to ensure their own backwards compatiblities why the fuck they can't support more recent and decent programs with out causing the devs huge head aches and why they can't release the SDK's a bit fuckign quicker rather than on the OS launch date then i'm afriad that they'll always be tagged with the sloppy workman title...ChrisFilter said:I know it isn't a populist opinion, but I have little sympathy for commercial developers who can't release program updates a year after a new OS is launched. It's not that different to XP, that's why most stuff runs.
Bollocks, frankly. If no one ever complains about it, then they continue to get away with murder. They do anyway, but you can't expect everyone to simply lie down and take itChrisFilter said:I'm not saying Microsoft were right. A perfect release would have provision for programs running way back to DOS. What I'm saying is that everyone knows MS are a million miles from perfect and it's likely that a new OS will bring a whole heap of problems. Surely commercial developers should be aware of this and work to ensure compatability?
It's a bit like being angry at the sky because it's raining, instead of putting up an umbrella. Microsoft won't change, everyone knows this, so I don't see it as an excuse for commercial developers, or indeed hardware manufacturers.

no it's more like the playgorudn bully saying giove us your lunch money or we'll kill you ... oh and your family friends and anyone you've ever met....ChrisFilter said:I'm not saying Microsoft were right. A perfect release would have provision for programs running way back to DOS. What I'm saying is that everyone knows MS are a million miles from perfect and it's likely that a new OS will bring a whole heap of problems. Surely commercial developers should be aware of this and work to ensure compatability?
It's a bit like being angry at the sky because it's raining, instead of putting up an umbrella. Microsoft won't change, everyone knows this, so I don't see it as an excuse for commercial developers, or indeed hardware manufacturers.