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Violent anti-G8-protests in Rostock....Yay or Nay ?

Violent G8-Protests ! Yay or Nay ?

  • Yay ! Burn baby , burn .......!!!

    Votes: 29 63.0%
  • Nay ! Careful now !

    Votes: 17 37.0%

  • Total voters
    46
Dhimmi said:
But, of course the poll-tax riot did work, but it's not simply a confirmation of the brilliance of violence, it's also a sign that having elected governments completely ignore the electorate will have a negative effect given enough time and arrogance from our rulers...
actually i think you'll find the riot did fuck all but it was the sustained campaign of non payment which log jammed the courts to the point of break down which actually did it...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
actually i think you'll find the riot did fuck all but it was the sustained campaign of non payment which log jammed the courts to the point of break down which actually did it...

Exactly, success despite the riots....
 
october_lost said:
but with the masses on our side.
I think that is a crucial issue.

Dhimmi said:
Abolition of the slave trade worked, as did Indian independence, the civil rights struggle in the USA.
Not to mention the Berlin wall coming down.
:)
 
Down With Police Terror Against the Anti-G8 Demonstrators!

Spartakist Leaflet
3 June 2007

Down With Police Terror Against the Anti-G8 Demonstrators!
For Mass Protests Against State Terror Based on the Social Power of the Working Class!
Down With the Witchhunt Against the “Black Block”!

BERLIN, June 3 – The Spartakist-Arbeiterpartei Deutschlands strongly condemns the brutal police attacks on the leftist demonstrators who protested against the robbers of the imperialist G8 yesterday. This brutal police terror was foreshadowed three weeks ago with nationwide raids against leftist opponents of G8. Five thousand cops along with more than a dozen water cannons and armored vehicles were mobilized in Rostock to intimidate and terrorize the leftist demonstrators. Many hundreds of demonstrators (officially over 500) were injured, some so badly that they had to be admitted to the hospital. The cops particularly targeted the leftist Autonomes of the “Black Block” and immigrant organizations. Well over 100 were arrested and are threatened with charges. They are talking about summary trials. We say: Down with police terror against anti-G8 demonstrators! Free all those arrested! Drop all charges!

We are outraged that the reformist and liberal organizers of the anti-G8 demonstration are denouncing the victims of the police attack! Thus, Manfred Stenner (Netzwerk Friedenskooperative [Network for Peace Cooperative]) raged against “the rioters”: “We will find out who the assholes were.” [Rostock demonstration organizer] Monty Schädel made mild criticisms of the police, to better turn around and attack the left: “There is no excuse and no justification for a group of Autonomes to attack a police car.” Thus they join in the witchhunt by the bourgeois media, which is calling for the blood of the “Black Block” and other leftists. This invites only more cop terror. What’s next? Murder, like the shooting of Carlo Giuliani at the 2001 anti-G8 protests in Genoa? If such naked police terror is not combatted, it will be a precedent for further state attacks on the left, the workers movement and immigrants. We say: An injury to one is an injury to all! Down with the witchhunt against the “Black Block”!

Meanwhile, in Schwerin, where the NPD fascists wanted to stage a provocation, the bourgeois state banned all demonstrations. The Nazis shifted their demonstration from Schwerin to several cities, including Berlin where they marched through the Brandenburg Gate for their program of genocide. In Schwerin, 150 anti-fascists were arrested and threatened with charges. State terror against the left, as in Rostock or Schwerin, fuels the Nazis’ deadly terror and strengthens them. This shows once more that state bans against the Nazis are, in the end, used against the left. What we need are mobilizations of the multiethnic working class at the head of all the fascists’ potential victims to stop the Nazis.

Rostock shows again that the capitalist state – with the police, army and courts at its core – is not neutral. Rather its purpose is to maintain the power of the capitalist class and to oppress the working class and all who stand in the way of capitalist rule. The police are the professional thugs of the bourgeoisie. They have no business in the workers movement. Police out of the DGB [trade-union federation]! While the G8 leaders are behind closed doors in Heiligendamm planning imperialist war and their next attack on the workers, the police are making clear how they will deal with anyone who resists the imperialist rulers. The attacks on the anti-G8 demonstrators are in the end directed against the entire working class! It is necessary to have mass protests by the workers movement and its allies to oppose state terror against the opponents of G8!

* * * * *​

Spartakist Leaflet - visit ICL website for PDF files: statement in English, German and French and Spartakist Jugend (Young Spartacus) statement from 27 May 2007

Contact: Spartacist League/Britain Tel: 020 7281 5504 E-mail: [email protected].
 
Well knock me down with a feather! A Spart communique I agree with!

And anyone who finds it written in over complicated language, actually it's just an over literal translation from the German, it's how they all write.
 
It's ammusing that those who criticise the Black Block make all sorts of criticisims of us.

"They are hilarious scrawny middle class students" "They are macho/patriarchical poseurs" "No better than football thugs" "Just interested in fucking things up" "A travelling anarchist circus" "No connection to the worker's movement" etc etc.

Well there's some truth to all that for some individuals, but the group (of mostly germans) I have spent time with are mechanics, building workers, union reps, single mums, a social worker, a teacher, a bus driver etc.

In other words the same people you might meet in your community.

The other big major criticisim is that we have no connection to working class struggle.

Well the BB doesn't exist as a hermetically sealed bubble seperate from society - the majority of us are also community activists, anti poverty organisers, union organisers, even chairs of residents assocviations.

During the week of protests users and former users of the bb tactic are involved in running self organised camps, kitchens, legal support, prisoner support, medical care, anti sexism etc.
 
grogwilton said:
noones arguing that the protesters are worse then the G8. Im an anti capitalist. I want to see the system overthrown. Im just not sure the tactics of the black bloc arent that helpful for our wider goal- winning more people to the anti capitalist cause, not just at big demos at meetings but in our workplaces and localities.
Yes, I'm sure they're not. The black blockheads are just another part of the problem. Fuck 'em.
 
so how are the protests going

the discipline of the german blackblock is amazing, those tight groups with the banners al around to protect them, theyre serious about their rioting!

I havn't been following it much had the been atleast partly succesful in blocking it

I read this with glee

Summit leaders were able to fly by helicopter from a nearby airport into the exclusive Heiligendamm beach resort, but lesser staff in cars and buses were caught in traffic jams on the ground.

you never gonna block the leaders in the helicopters but going for the staff is the key brilliant if they've achieved this!

or maybe not
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/06/372696.html
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
actually i think you'll find the riot did fuck all but it was the sustained campaign of non payment which log jammed the courts to the point of break down which actually did it...

How can you possibly quantify the effect a riot has?

For many people the poll tax riot a deeply symbolic event. An outpouring of rage at 10 years of thatchers regime and at a victory over the cops who had violently enforced it. It also chimed with the battles in public squares in eastern europe and china. In South Africa, riots and demonstrations against the regime there even took up the chant of 'we wont pay the poll tax' in solidarity (perhaps becasue the South African embassy was one of the targets of the rioters?).
The riot will have reaffirmed many peoples oppostion to the tax and to the government in general. It also sent a very very clear message to the tories - not least the high levels of public sympathy expressed towards the rioters, and the fact that smaller scale riots erupted in place like colchester, norwich and cheltenham.

Thousands of people on the street battling the forces of the state - it puts the wind up the ruling elite far more than a letter to your MP or a fucking petition.
 
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