Violence dished out to the leaders of the far right

[TremulousTetra]

RPM3....I really think the point you missed is i totally disagree about building a mass anti fascist movement.
I would like to see a mass democratic socialist movement with positive ideas not a large movement concentrating on a negative.

so would I. the two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I believe, they are complementary.

 

[TremulousTetra]

yes yes yes ^^^

socialists or anarchists? I thought socialists, whilst not ignoring community, concentrated on the point of production.

 

[moon23]

Owl sanctury?

Don't ask me the Fash like Owls innit.

 

[moon23]

personally i don't think ken livingstone is left-wing. and david cameron, a member of uaf, certainly isn't. as for the ruc, i've never thought them a particularly left-wing organisation either

Nor Respect coun Salma Yaqoob? Well it's a rubbish termnology really isn't it.

 

[frogwoman]

I've known of one severe beating that stop one individual leader from continuing their involvment.

Why isn't their more targeting of them?

There's a lot of anti-fascists that squirrel away info on the far right, why isn't it used more to target significant people such as Collett et al?

A few hundred posts and posting threads like this?

I'd say either you're a fash or a total idiot.

 

[DeepStoat]

So having made thousands of posts on a BB you have 'authority' to post what you like?

What else does it qualify you to do?

 

[Balbi]

Well, there's the t-shirt you get at 1,000 posts. Access to the secret forum at 10,000 and if like me you reach 20,000 or more you gain the ability to lose all contact with people outside of the internet and live on a diet of domino's pizza meal deals.

But yeah, DS you do seem a bit of a dinny.

 

[JimPage]

I'm not certain how this will play out, but recent elections suggests the BNP vote is now falling. Not sure if that will be a permanent feature? So no room for complacency here.

Important to understand that the tactical choices available to the BNP now are limited. No more stunts, it's all about electoral respectability and beavering away at the institutions for them. Let's be clear, their organisational structure is weak and they are nowhere near becoming a mass party.

Whiel their by election results sicne June 2009 have been poor, there has been a tactical change in that they no longer seem to import activists and fight every council by election like they were going to win in, tying up regional resources for weeks in order to get a 15% vote. They will concentrate on where they can win, like the South Oxhey election this thursday

As to their organisational structure, would disagree . As a result of the euro election results they have been able to put most of their fulltimers on the euro payroll - as well as paying Brons and Griffins salary (Simon Darby, Eddy Butler, the Wingfields, Chris Beverley, Clive Jefferson and more) - as well as finally getting 2 new people on the payroll at the GLA to keep Barnbrook in line. They will this week open their NW office, again paid for by Europe

All in all . It seems to have been consolidation since the euros, and the reorganisation needed for the 2010 general election

 

[The39thStep]

The "unprecedented success" of the BNP Butchers keeps on about is of course on the back of media hysteria, a gutless Labour government, leading to the collapse of the Labour vote and voter apathy generally.

The BNP's tactic, if it ever had one, has been mainly standing in elections and scooping up the rewards of all this. The left, leaving out the media hysteria, has attempted to do similar, SP, Respect, SLP, Left List and whilst there's been some success, most have not been able to match the BNP in electoral terms, apart from the Green Party, who have and more so.

If we switch to your favourite pet subject, class, I don't see a great impact in working class areas, certainly not on the same scale as the NF had at it's height. As I see it, Barnsley, Stoke, Barking and Dagenham are not about to succumb to BNP incompetence any time soon.

There have also been setbacks for the BNP, in Burnley, Oldham, Sandwell and in parts of Yorkshire, so not the "unprecedented success" they were expecting. The two seats in the European elections were the life boat for the leadership. No guarantee they'll see land, never mind take over institutions

I'm not certain how this will play out, but recent elections suggests the BNP vote is now falling. Not sure if that will be a permanent feature? So no room for complacency here.

Important to understand that the tactical choices available to the BNP now are limited. No more stunts, it's all about electoral respectability and beavering away at the institutions for them. Let's be clear, their organisational structure is weak and they are nowhere near becoming a mass party.

32 out of the 35 areas where the BNP gained more than 5% in the 2005 general election are constituencies which have Labour party incumbents, areas characterised by high employment rates, low attainment rates and above average Pakistani and African populations. Labour voter profiles show a similar class , age and educational distribution to BNP supporters.

The NF vote in the 70s was very different 62% of its support came from the South of England, it also had support in West Midlands. In London it centred on Haringey, Islington, Tower Hamlets . The NF had nothing in the Yorkshire or Lancashire , the former with Humberside now accounts for 20% of BNP support but is only 10% of the voting population

 

[Badger Kitten]

btw, i don't remember a "national outcry" when the fash demonstrated outside finsbury park mosque.

Everyone and his wife has demonstrated outside Finsbury Park Mosque at one time or another for one reason or another.

Apart from the security services. They just watched.

 

[audiotech]

Whiel their by election results sicne June 2009 have been poor, there has been a tactical change in that they no longer seem to import activists and fight every council by election like they were going to win in, tying up regional resources for weeks in order to get a 15% vote. They will concentrate on where they can win, like the South Oxhey election this thursday

As to their organisational structure, would disagree . As a result of the euro election results they have been able to put most of their fulltimers on the euro payroll - as well as paying Brons and Griffins salary (Simon Darby, Eddy Butler, the Wingfields, Chris Beverley, Clive Jefferson and more) - as well as finally getting 2 new people on the payroll at the GLA to keep Barnbrook in line. They will this week open their NW office, again paid for by Europe

All in all . It seems to have been consolidation since the euros, and the reorganisation needed for the 2010 general election

Shore up I would say.

 

[audiotech]

32 out of the 35 areas where the BNP gained more than 5% in the 2005 general election are constituencies which have Labour party incumbents, areas characterised by high employment rates, low attainment rates and above average Pakistani and African populations. Labour voter profiles show a similar class , age and educational distribution to BNP supporters.

The NF vote in the 70s was very different 62% of its support came from the South of England, it also had support in West Midlands. In London it centred on Haringey, Islington, Tower Hamlets . The NF had nothing in the Yorkshire or Lancashire , the former with Humberside now accounts for 20% of BNP support but is only 10% of the voting population

I was comparing the activist base, what I've seen of it at least, rather than actual votes.

 

[butchersapron]

Everyone and his wife has demonstrated outside Finsbury Park Mosque at one time or another for one reason or another.

Apart from the security services. They just watched.

And the rest.

 

[butchersapron]

I was comparing the activist base, what I've seen of it at least, rather than actual votes.

So you're talking about a tiny tiny % and using it to draw general nationwide conclusions. Can you see the problem?

How's your BNP MEP btw?

 

[audiotech]

How would I know, as there's no BNP MEP been elected this side of the pennines?

I hope both twats are very ill as it 'appens.

 

[butchersapron]

Is that right? You've not got a BNP MEP? Is that really right?

 

[The39thStep]

I was comparing the activist base, what I've seen of it at least, rather than actual votes.

I can give you more on that if you really want it?

 

[audiotech]

The cunt doesn't represent me personally, no. Wasn't even born here. German ancestry.

 

[audiotech]

I can give you more on that if you really want it?

Only if it increases my knowledge base?

 

[The39thStep]

Only if it increases my knowledge base?

It would but it contradicts a lot of what you have said .

 

[audiotech]

I'm not surprised by that.

 

[butchersapron]

The cunt doesn't represent me personally, no. Wasn't even born here. German ancestry.

So you actually mean yes you dio have a BNP MEP now you've manged to remember where you live.

 

[audiotech]

So you actually mean yes you dio have a BNP MEP now you've manged to remember where you live.

Only when there's an 'R' in the month.