Violence dished out to the leaders of the far right
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There were plenty of decisions made that could of changed the outcome of the war.
One being if England backed the Republic of Spain during the civil war, allowed supplies to get through and even help defeat foreign german troops, which could of prevented WWII.
Now there's a bold statement butchersapron.
gamma globulins
plinky plonky
Well yes, sorry what I should have made clear is that switching from targetting our airfields to the blitz was a decision opposed by a large proportion of Hitler's generals, iirc. The advent of the bomb would probably have still settled it though.
Not to my mind. It was part of the same thing MILITANT ANTI FASCISM.
Read Joe Jacobs In the Ghetto read Morris Beckmans book on the Jewish 43 group.
Why do you think Fascist leaders being targeted is worse than huge demos against them that give them huge publicity?
Hermann Goring was up for continuing but I'm more concerned with the psychological impact of having their idol being made mortal.
gamma globulins
plinky plonky
He was a short dark Austrian proclaiming the superiority of tall blond Germans?
Those advocating ''severe beating'', what does that actually mean?
A smack in the mouth I guess is not a severe beating.
So I presume the posters advocating this mean, stamping on someone's head,
powerful blows to the side of the head, smashing teeth out, stamping on the body to break bones and the breaking of limbs?
Weapons may have to be used I am presuming by those on here advocating severe beating. A knife? How far will the poster go who are advocating severe beating with a knife. Stabs to the face, the eyes, slashes to the face, stab to the body?
What about the use of some sort of club for those advocating serve beating?
Will that involve breaking legs and arms UVF style? Maybe going a bit further of clubing to the head? Will the posters advocating violence enjoy the screams of those they beat, because people do scream a lot when getting a ''severe beating'' no matter who the person is, brave or a coward.
Just wondering. BTW, do the police look at threads like this?
A smack in the mouth I guess is not a severe beating.
So I presume the posters advocating this mean, stamping on someone's head,
powerful blows to the side of the head, smashing teeth out, stamping on the body to break bones and the breaking of limbs?
Weapons may have to be used I am presuming by those on here advocating severe beating. A knife? How far will the poster go who are advocating severe beating with a knife. Stabs to the face, the eyes, slashes to the face, stab to the body?
What about the use of some sort of club for those advocating serve beating?
Will that involve breaking legs and arms UVF style? Maybe going a bit further of clubing to the head? Will the posters advocating violence enjoy the screams of those they beat, because people do scream a lot when getting a ''severe beating'' no matter who the person is, brave or a coward.
Just wondering. BTW, do the police look at threads like this?
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Are you plod?
All good questions Sonny.
The question of the use of violence is difficult but for me non violence can not be the only option in all cases in life and politics.
But your right to question to people about how far they would go.
Myself i think people should try and weigh up the possible impact of their actions. I also think there is always a danger of dehumanising your political opponents but sometimes i think violence is the best option. And for me that includes just about everything....
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Typical illiberally biased way of thinking from tbaldwin again
Crikey you have spotted a bias in my thinking......Shall i go and stand in the corner now?
Well thanks for your honesty.
I hate violence, I am not a pacifist and people are entitled to self defence.
Myself, I have seen enough violence in my life.
This thread started a bitand has now gone well weird with all the violence porn
Those who have advocated violence on here, should tell us what they would actually do if they are so keen on it. Because a ''severe beating'' is a terrible thing to do to another human. I doubt many of them would actually do it.
I for one would only used any form of violence in self defence, restraining techniques if possible where the least harm would be done to your attacker.
Then if possible get the police on your attacker. In real life the majority of people do not get attacked so have no need to be ever involved in violence,
Those who have advocated violence on this thread should be aware they are treading on legal dodgy ground.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Why are you so keen on people giving out information that may cause them problems?
Climate Camp that way ---->
<----obscurity that way.
Agree it is far better to debate with them if you can. But if you cant what do you do? Just let them get on with organising?
Fascism has usually grown not because the opposition have been too violent but too passive.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i expect there are several reasons. firstly, given that 90% of ira operations were called off, it's clear that it isn't easy for even a well organised and motivated organisation to carry out their plans. second, it's not always easy to get people together to do social things. third, someone like collett is almost certain to vary his routine precisely to avoid the sort of attack you suggest. fourth, the amount of surveillance necessary to prepare for a hit would undoubtedly take a considerable amount of time. it's not like you can bowl up to his local on a friday and be sure he's there. and fifth, what's to be gained? even if the op went well, and no one was nicked, collett's frankly more of asset where he is, making the bnp look a crock of shit - it's along the lines of why ian paisley was never whacked.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
tbaldwin said:
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
my thoughts too
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
because the former is action from above, a tiny minority with balaclavas doing things on behalf of the working class,, where the latter is action from below, the working class taking their destiny into their hands. I would have thought, you of all people, would have supported the latter.
come on now!
what he says is right, partially.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
example?
Yeah i can see where your coming from.
But to me there is a case for doing what you think is right sometimes and not leaving it to mass action etc.
Sometimes people have to take the initiative to fix problems.
Militant anti fascism is fair enough as it goes. But like you durruti,butchers et etc i think the thing is building a realistic,credible political alternative.
Let's be honest. The right have always been better at street violence than most of the left. There are not many capable of carrying out such a policy. You start attacking Nazi leaders at random and sooner or later you are likely to end up in hospital, or worse. The real problem is the left have no effective response to the right's move away from street fighting to respectable politics. What use are violent revolutionary fantasists who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, when the BNP are being elected into positions of power?
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