Videla - convicted of stealing left wing babies

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by butchersapron, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    C'mon CR, you've got to put a bit of effort in, your lack of argument makes for a boring, and ineffective, troll.
  2. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

  3. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    Any response? Anything?
  4. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    to what ? your rattling off the names of a few books in support of Britians imperialist position on the other end of the globe. My answer to that is the same as Fidel Castros years ago . Its a colonialist anachronism, its argentinian, and by extension Latin American territory Britain has no legitimate right to be claiming as its empire. Sustained by nothing only gunboats , greed and jingoism . Hence the roused passiobns on even a largely left wing english discussion forum.
  5. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    Tbf if the britsh had been late most of the argentine consripts would have starved to death not because of the british blockade
    Just because the argentine officers were monumentally incompetant:(.

    The falkland islanders have been there for over 100 years and seem happy as you can be living on the falklands
  6. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    tbf the british should fuck off back to britian,and stop being a bunch of colonialist assholes
  7. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    They were there before most of argentina had been colonised.
    The idea that spanish speaking italians in south america are somehow oppressed oginal inhabitants of argentina is bonkers.
    The islanders didnt genocide anyone to claim the islands which is something argentina cant claim.
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  8. free spirit

    free spirit more tea vicar?

    what about the falkland islanders? Or do they not get a say in things?
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  9. LiamO

    LiamO Well-Known Member


    CR has now gone home.

    He has to come round here to get online since his mum put parental controls on his PC.
  10. copliker

    copliker ...

    Anyway, Dowling is on the list of those who were involved in abductions, forced detentions, inquisitions, torturing and killings, based on testimonies given before the National Commission on the Disappeared. It says he was based at the Vesubio secret detention centre. What a hero.
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  11. Pingu

    Pingu Credo

    well.. livened up an otherwise dull morning reading that...
  12. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    And now we can all see why i put "Anti-imperialism, fuck you." in the OP.
  13. Pingu

    Pingu Credo


    bit of a long winded way to make your point but nevertheless it got there

    *nominates thread for the "no really you should just step away from the keyboard and sober up a bit before continuing" award
  14. elbows

    elbows WoeTimer

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  15. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    indeed, a turd.

    interestingly, he loves Argentina so much that he put his name to a letter/petition to the Irish Government asking for citizenship/residency rights to be confered on those of Irish extraction whose great-great-great-great etc.. grandparents emigrated to Argentina.

    i'm sure the Republic of Ireland would be delighted to provide a home for such an august individual - i'm sure he brings many, many wonderful gifts and qualities...
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  16. Fedayn

    Fedayn Well-Known Member

    But he's Irish and he did as such because he's an anti-imperialist hero........
  17. copliker

    copliker ...

    Some of the planes used to dump the bodies were made in (norn) Ireland *chest bursts with anti-imperialist pride*
    The Official Story is the film that deals directly with the baby stealing and it has dated very well considering it came out in 1985. I watched Garage Olimpo the other night. An 18 year old girl who teaches poors how to read and write gets picked up and taken to one of the centres. Thankfully it avoids any gratuitous torture porn and cartoony villain traps it could've fallen into and concentrates on her relationship with the torturer and her mam Dominique Sanda's efforts to find out where she's being held.

    Excellent Al Jaz docu here about a victim interrogating a torturer a few years ago.

  18. Captain Hurrah

    Captain Hurrah STALINIST Banned

    Powerful film. Thanks.
  19. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Marco Bechis went on to make another film on the same subject: Figli/Hijos AKA Sons and Daughters - Hijos = the organisation Sons and Daughters for Identity and Justice Against Oblivion and Silence and they also campaign for the Guatamalan disappeared (i guess they were the bad disappearances rather than the good anti-imperialist ones in Argentina).
  20. copliker

    copliker ...

    I noticed but I haven't found it yet.
  21. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    You on KG? It's on there - would invite you but got no spare invites.
  22. copliker

    copliker ...

    Nope. It doesn't matter for now.
  23. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Bignone gets life (his third)

    Same day the jesuit-junta claim the papal throne.
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  24. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    Pinochet supported the British as not only a fellow fan of batshit economics but the juntas big plan was to have a go a Chile once the Falklands were secure.

    Reagan was desperate for Maggie to give the junta an honorable way out Maggie was having none of it and the US obviously not coming to the aid of there fascist goons not only finished off the junta but the writing was on the wall for the rest of the south american strongmen.
  25. copliker

    copliker ...

    The torturer (Kung Fu) that Gerardo Bisezzi is looking for in that Al Jaz video was already named (Juan Carlos Falcon) in various places so that's a bit confusing, unless he's looking for additional info. He was acquitted due to lack of evidence in 2010. The interviewed torturer Turco Julian was "known by his victims for his anti-Semitism. He had a keychain with a swastika." I read somewhere that about half of the 100 German citizens that were disappeared were Jewish.

    There's a blog about the El Vesubio torture centre here with updates on prosecution cases every now and then. Like I said earlier, that's where Major Patricio Dowling was based.

    Video on the case of Elisabeth Käsemann

    From the ECCHR site.

    Another victim of El Vesubio was graphic novel artist Héctor Germán Oesterheld who created The Eternonaut. All four of his daughters were disappeared as well.

    More fillums in addition to those mentioned earlier dealing with various facets of the dictatorship.

    Cronica De Una Fuga (or Buenos Aires 1977)
    Clandestine Childhood
    Last edited: May 6, 2014
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  26. frogwoman

    frogwoman лягушкая женщина

    Edited so it doesnt ruin a decent thread, sorry
  27. pk

    pk drink flounce rinse repeat

  28. pk

    pk drink flounce rinse repeat

  29. copliker

    copliker ...

    Estela de Carlotto (in the above vid) had a film made about her. Verdades verdaderas, la vida de Estela

    Guardian article about writers using junta related themes which mentions that the real identity of a stolen baby was confirmed in February.

    Founding member’s grandchild recovered
  30. copliker

    copliker ...

    Estela de Carlotto’s grandson has been found

    Last edited: Aug 5, 2014
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