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Victoria line early closing (Mon-Thurs, Feb-Nov 2008)

Hocus Eye. said:
Perhaps the members of Urban75 could all club together to buy a secondhand Routemaster and set up a special Urban75 bus that connects Brixton to the outside world. Ding Ding "Anymore fares please"
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:) All Aboard!
 
I was under the impression that london commuter trains were pretty much all running at capacity. If there is spare capacity, then let's use it!
 
IIRC in the evenings its a half hour wait between trains- currently the majority of trains passing through Brixton dont stop either (I might have made this last bit up, its certainly my impression anyway)
 
Just seen this.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Like someone said earlier in the thread, the press release is dated just a couple of weeks before the closures start.

Is that really the first notice they've given for this? That seems very weird.

The thing is, TFL can say that they "need" to do it and we can all grumble and speculate about what the alternatives are, but you really need someone familiar with the practicalities of the job to give an informed opinion about whether or not there really isn't any other way around it.

Fair enough if it *has* to be done in order to do the necessary work but the fact that it is announced at such very short notice seems very dodgy to me, like it's a deliberate move to prevent anyone having enough time to come up with some legitimate objections.

Engineering work on mainline rail has to be announced months in advance, doesn't it? Why any different on the tube?
 
Hey, to anyone else who is pissed off about getting back from London: it looks like Oyster will be accepted on the Victoria-Brixton national rail service. All 'valid LU tickets'. That's something at least :/
 
Gixxer1000 said:
IIRC in the evenings its a half hour wait between trains- currently the majority of trains passing through Brixton dont stop either (I might have made this last bit up, its certainly my impression anyway)
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Yeah it's half hourly. It would only be any use for people wanting to go to Victoria though.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
Yeah it's half hourly. It would only be any use for people wanting to go to Victoria though.
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Would be handy to have a Brixton-Waterloo overground service too ... using the redundant Eurostar paths perhaps...
 
teuchter said:
Would be handy to have a Brixton-Waterloo overground service too ... using the redundant Eurostar paths perhaps...
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Yeah it would be good. Something like that would be a different issue to rail replacement for the Victoria line though I'd have thought.
 
Gixxer1000 said:
IIRC in the evenings its a half hour wait between trains- currently the majority of trains passing through Brixton dont stop either (I might have made this last bit up, its certainly my impression anyway)
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I think it's improved slightly now the line isn't used for eurostar. It was three an hour on the route, only two stopping at brixton, I think now it seems to be four an hour stopping at brixton at peak times, but yes only two an hour late in the evening - last one seems to be 11.37. They could try and keep it at four an hour in the evenings while the victoria line is closing earlier, and have a later last train - that would help
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
Yeah it would be good. Something like that would be a different issue to rail replacement for the Victoria line though I'd have thought.
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I reckon a direct rail link to Waterloo would actually be more useful than the one to Victoria for getting back to Brixton when the Victoria line is closed.

Waterloo is better connected to central London than Victoria.
 
malice said:
I think it's improved slightly now the line isn't used for eurostar. It was three an hour on the route, only two stopping at brixton, I think now it seems to be four an hour stopping at brixton at peak times, but yes only two an hour late in the evening - last one seems to be 11.37. They could try and keep it at four an hour in the evenings while the victoria line is closing earlier, and have a later last train - that would help
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Yeah, I've just had a look

09:03, 09:22,
09:39, 09:52,10:07 in the mornings


17:35,17:52,18:02,18:21,18:38
evenings
 
teuchter said:
I reckon a direct rail link to Waterloo would actually be more useful than the one to Victoria for getting back to Brixton when the Victoria line is closed.

Waterloo is better connected to central London than Victoria.
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Hate to say it as I work in Victoria, but Waterloo would be better, not only for getting the Northern Line to Stockwell, but only a short walk away outside the War Museum you have the choice of the Nos. 3, 59 and 159 buses
 
teuchter said:
I reckon a direct rail link to Waterloo would actually be more useful than the one to Victoria for getting back to Brixton when the Victoria line is closed.

Waterloo is better connected to central London than Victoria.
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Maybe but there'd need to be a bit more to it than that. There's no way they'd run a shuttle service between Brixton and Waterloo and I'd be amazed if the facility was there. You can't turn a train round at Brixton can you (which goes for the Victoria train as well of course.) So you'd have to run it as part of a service to somewhere south of Brixton. And if you were going to do that and put the investment into organising it you wouldn't run two trains after 11.00pm.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
Maybe but there'd need to be a bit more to it than that. There's no way they'd run a shuttle service between Brixton and Waterloo and I'd be amazed if the facility was there. You can't turn a train round at Brixton can you (which goes for the Victoria train as well of course.) So you'd have to run it as part of a service to somewhere south of Brixton. And if you were going to do that and put the investment into organising it you wouldn't run two trains after 11.00pm.
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Oh, I know it's not likely to happen. Just saying it would be useful.

I was wondering myself where you could turn trains. Maybe at Herne Hill?
 
teuchter said:
Oh, I know it's not likely to happen. Just saying it would be useful.

I was wondering myself where you could turn trains. Maybe at Herne Hill?
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I don't think so (although seeing as I live there I'd love a Herne Hill - Brixton - Waterloo train). Might have to go somewhere like Beckenham Junction.
 
teuchter said:
Engineering work on mainline rail has to be announced months in advance, doesn't it? Why any different on the tube?
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Possibly because if there were any earlier announcements busybody local activists and community transport campaigners - not to mention opportunist opposition politicians -p would be able to issue press releases denouncing the way that TfL operates in a world of its own without effective consultation.

And Ken wouldn't have any interest in that not happening in the months in the run up to a London Mayoral election, would he? ;)
 
it's a complete nuisance.
and i end up having to catch the northern line to oval and a bus into brixton/brixton hill...
timewasted - 35 minutes.
fuckin' shit and the thought of the works extended into 2009...more shit.
 
I'm curious how much shorter the journeys are going to be considering Brixton to Victoria is only 10 minutes anyway.

How much is being knocked off the journey-time from Brixton to Walthamstow?
 
According to alwaystouchout, the route will be 8% faster, due to higher top speed, better signalling and better acceleration. This also means they can run an extra 5 trains an hour, a 18% improvement.
 
Crispy said:
According to alwaystouchout, the route will be 8% faster, due to higher top speed, better signalling and better acceleration. This also means they can run an extra 5 trains an hour, a 18% improvement.
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Yes, I know about the extra 5 trains, but as you know, I'm crap at maths.

How many minutes does 8% take off a journey?

less than 3 mins?
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Yes, I know about the extra 5 trains, but as you know, I'm crap at maths.

How many minutes does 8% take off a journey?

less than 3 mins?
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It would take about a minute and a half off a 20 minute journey.

I'd imagine that it would be the increased frequency that would have the greater effect on journey times, certainly for short journeys.
 
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