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Victoria line early closing (Mon-Thurs, Feb-Nov 2008)

davesgcr said:
The line has been running since 1967 - the trains and signalling is at the end of a productive life. Its nackered basically.

so you either

(a) Shut it down for about 3 months to rebuild

(b) Stage the works like this and do it with less overall disruption

(b) Clearly costs more - but keeps the trains running for most of the day and inconveniences less people overall. Yes its a pain and all that - but its a 30 year investment for new trains , and in the end a more frequent service.
I'm sure the old Great Western Railway would have managed to do with with less interruption.
 
A lot of the evening closures are for testing of the new trains rather than the works to track and signalling, which are still requiring full weekend closures.

I don't understand why they have to test all the trains "on site" rather than on a testing tracksomewhere on the outer reaches of the Metropolitan Line where there is no nighttime economy.

It it not like the Jubilee line where they had to make sure that the train's braking was sufficiently well controlled that the doors arrived within 5cm of the platform barrier doors.:confused:
 
Testing onsite will be for integration with signalling systems (which I suspect are being upgraded to allow more frequent trains)

Maintenance is always much harder on underground lines compared to overground, simply due to access restrictions. This is particularly true on the victoria line which only has one overground access point (the depot north of walthamstow)
 
lang rabbie said:
A lot of the evening closures are for testing of the new trains rather than the works to track and signalling, which are still requiring full weekend closures.


But that's what they were doing last year
 
lang rabbie said:
A lot of the evening closures are for testing of the new trains rather than the works to track and signalling, which are still requiring full weekend closures.

have they announced full weekend closures??
 
davesgcr said:
Any better , practical and workable solutions - ?

(runs for cover)

You appear to have totally missed the point of this thread! :mad: :P


And what minnie said. that is what they said they were doing last year.
 
Papingo said:
You appear to have totally missed the point of this thread! :mad: :P


And what minnie said. that is what they said they were doing last year.


ah, but now we're getting new signals as well which will do away with "we apologise for the delays but this is due to a signals failure at Seven Sisters" - although somehow I bet that won't be the case :D
 
twisted said:
have they announced full weekend closures??


23/24 February - Full line closure
29 March - Full line closure
30 March - Highbury & Islington to Brixton
12 Apil - Full line closure
10/11 May - Highbury & Islington to Brixton
17/18 May - Highbury & Islington to Brixton
 
What I find so annoying is the inability to coordinate stuff. Surely when the station was repeatedly closed for refurbishment (and so the Stockwell - Brixton part of the line was closed) they could have done some work on the lines / signalling?

Incidentally why on earth should we expect wiring etc. to wear out after 40 years? Most Victorian houses are currently surviving on wiring that's much older than that - and only get replumbed etc. every 50 years or so...
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
23/24 February - Full line closure
29 March - Full line closure
30 March - Highbury & Islington to Brixton
12 Apil - Full line closure
10/11 May - Highbury & Islington to Brixton
17/18 May - Highbury & Islington to Brixton
*sobs

Why the fuck are the full closures on a fucking Saturday?
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
23/24 February - Full line closure
29 March - Full line closure
30 March - Highbury & Islington to Brixton
12 Apil - Full line closure
10/11 May - Highbury & Islington to Brixton
17/18 May - Highbury & Islington to Brixton

that's the first installment no doubt...gets fucken worse:mad:

hope during that period i can cast a vote against Livingstone; all arguments aside about how best to refurb the line, those cunts could have at least consulted the community and businesses instead of dictating things at tw-and-a-half wek's notice
 
twisted said:
that's the first installment no doubt...gets fucken worse:mad:

hope during that period i can cast a vote against Livingstone; all arguments aside about how best to refurb the line, those cunts could have at least consulted the community and businesses instead of dictating things at tw-and-a-half wek's notice
I would have thought the real blame lies with all this PPP bollocks.
 
editor said:
Eh? More people work on a Saturday than a Sunday.


Oh right, I thought you were talking about weekdays.

er, at a guess, Sunday no good because trains etc. have to be back in the depots ready to start work on Monday?
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
er, at a guess, Sunday no good because trains etc. have to be back in the depots ready to start work on Monday?

Saturday's also provide a buffer for the cursed "late runing engineering work" probably working on the thinking they'll be less people to disrupt on a sunday am than a monday am if services start late.

Also possibly cheaper to have people work on a sat than a sun?
 
pootle said:
Saturday's also provide a buffer for the cursed "late runing engineering work" probably working on the thinking they'll be less people to disrupt on a sunday am than a monday am if services start late.

Also possibly cheaper to have people work on a sat than a sun?


yeah probably. Don't know about nowadays but years ago there were certain jobs where Saturday was time and a half and Sunday was double time
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
er, at a guess, Sunday no good because trains etc. have to be back in the depots ready to start work on Monday?
And how would that be any different from trains having to be back in their depots ready to start work on a Sunday?
 
pootle said:
Yep and years of underinvestment. :(

They aren't any godawful PFI projects on the tube network are there?
Not strictly PFI (which is a particular form of contract), but something similar. PPP (public private partnership) was forced on TFL by presoctt as a means of raising money for the (very much needed) repair and rennovation work on the tube. Ken and Kiley wanted to issue public bonds as an investment (which is what Kiley used when he revitalised the NY subway), but they got blocked. The tube lines and trains are now operated by a bunch of private companies, under the management of tfl. It's all very complicated, I don't know a fraction of the details.
 
Crispy said:
. It's all very complicated, I don't know a fraction of the details.
One thing I do know for sure is that fat cats at the top will be getting richer no matter what.
 
editor said:
And how would that be any different from trains having to be back in their depots ready to start work on a Sunday?


well, like you said, not as many people working on a Sunday as on weekdays so fewer people affected.
 
lang rabbie said:
I don't understand why they have to test all the trains "on site" rather than on a testing tracksomewhere on the outer reaches of the Metropolitan Line where there is no nighttime economy.

Different signalling systems make this impossible.

Victoria Central lines work on an ATO system; put simply - automatic train operation works via codes which are embedded in the track - Met line trains don't have this system. Hope this clears this up.
 
i'm suddenly more than a little depressed. as a scaredy cat woman who hates having to hang around stockwell late at night waiting for a bus, that means once again i'll be spending a sodding fortune on cabs home.

bastards!!:mad:
 
When I saw the thread title I smugly misread it and assumed it was a gentle enquiry as to whether last year's hell had actually ended.

Then I read it again and realised that no, last year's hell was such a success they have decided to extend the delightful experiment.

FEBRUARY to NOVEMBER? that's TEN BLOODY MONTHS! WTF?!?!?!

As a female employee in a badly-planned and penny-pinching job, I'll look forward to nearly a year's worth of wrangling with my bosses over taxi fees, and a great many cold, dark, wet walks home from Stockwell.

FFFFFFFFFF's Sake.....
 
trabuquera said:
When I saw the thread title I smugly misread it and assumed it was a gentle enquiry as to whether last year's hell had actually ended.

Then I read it again and realised that no, last year's hell was such a success they have decided to extend the delightful experiment.

FEBRUARY to NOVEMBER? that's TEN BLOODY MONTHS! WTF?!?!?!

As a female employee in a badly-planned and penny-pinching job, I'll look forward to nearly a year's worth of wrangling with my bosses over taxi fees, and a great many cold, dark, wet walks home from Stockwell.

FFFFFFFFFF's Sake.....


ask TFL to reimburse you :D
 
oh, noooo i thought this thread was about last year...but it's actually for nearly this whole year

double meh!
 
davesgcr said:
The line has been running since 1967 - the trains and signalling is at the end of a productive life. Its nackered basically.

so you either

(a) Shut it down for about 3 months to rebuild

(b) Stage the works like this and do it with less overall disruption

(b) Clearly costs more - but keeps the trains running for most of the day and inconveniences less people overall. Yes its a pain and all that - but its a 30 year investment for new trains , and in the end a more frequent service.

And before anyone asks - I dont work for TFL !!!!

Any better , practical and workable solutions - ?

(runs for cover)


Hey heres a radical solution:rolleyes: run a replacement rail service.
 
Perhaps the members of Urban75 could all club together to buy a secondhand Routemaster and set up a special Urban75 bus that connects Brixton to the outside world. Ding Ding "Anymore fares please"
 
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