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Good point about the difference between high %-age of caffeine and strong flavour, too. Ideally, I'd like a bit of both.

OK, but they're not necessarily correlated.

'Strong flavour' is often a by-product of roast intensity.

http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting-VisualGuideV2.php

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From picture 9-ish on, the coffee would be drinkable. And the caffeine levels (I believe) would not change, overly much. The flavours would also be - potentially - extremely strong, but far sharper and lighter than they would with darker roasts.

From 11 on, you've got beans that might be usable for espresso. But... as you go up the scale... you're increasingly losing some flavours, gaining others.

The darker the roast, the more the cup will taste of the 'roast' and the less it'll taste of the 'bean'. Roasting obliterates bean / origin characteristics.

Which might be fine, if what you want is a cup that tastes of homogenised 'coffee'. If you want a cup in which you can begin to understand the differences between beans / origins / fruity / chocolatey, then a lighter roast is generally a far better way of doing so.

And - again - the flavour could be equally strong. It'd just be strong in a different way. i.e. not tasting of burnt coffee / charcoal.
 
OK. I've ordered a percolator as per Mrs M's advice and some of the coffee Mrs Quoad recommends (along with a couple of strong but more flavoursome blends) from hasbean.

Ta for the advice. I'll let you know how I get on. :)
 
I've developed a bit of a habit for coffee that really knocks your socks off. Unfortunately, this means that the stuff in Tesco's that's rated '5' on their coffee Richter Scale isn't really doing it for me any more.

I know nothing about coffee so could do with someone to point me in the direction of some great stuff. The best I ever had was on holiday in Guatemala. It was vaguely akin to base speed. This is what I'm after.

Any ideas? Places where I can buy online?

Grind your own beans !
(Pick up a cheap grinder for around £20.Argos and other outlets.)

Sooooo,worth it.

:)
 
Is it? I've already got a grinder, funnily enough. Bit of a faff though isn't it? Just for a cup of coffee, like.
 
Is it? I've already got a grinder, funnily enough. Bit of a faff though isn't it? Just for a cup of coffee, like.

Depends how much you like coffee.

I make a pot of it in the morning or whenever i wake :o

Have at least 6 cups,lovely fresh.

Yes,bit of a minor pain when hungover.
(Esp when not cleaned the machine into which ground beans enter.)

But the AROMA........

Relatively new to grinding and have been lazy and just getting supermarket beans,usually about grade 3.
 
Yeah, I'd do all that at the weekend but a bit tricky if you're trying to get out the house and to work.

I quite like all the paraphernalia and ritual that goes with it, though. I think it fills the gap that skinning up used to occupy in my life.
 
Yeah, I'd do all that at the weekend but a bit tricky if you're trying to get out the house and to work.

I quite like all the paraphernalia and ritual that goes with it, though. I think it fills the gap that skinning up used to occupy in my life.

FUCK :eek:

Do you know me ? :D
 
Is it? I've already got a grinder, funnily enough. Bit of a faff though isn't it? Just for a cup of coffee, like.

The traditional shelf-life is:

3yrs for green unroasted beans (more like 18months, tbh)
3 weeks for roasted beans (well... arguably two, but ey)
3 minutes for ground beans.

fwiw, a moka pot always always burns coffee, because of the way it works. That might be fine, and many people love 'em. But you'll get more controllable results with something like a filter cone.
 
Relatively new to grinding and have been lazy and just getting supermarket beans,usually about grade 3.

Try something different today!

If you're a fan of filter / cafetiere, then Square Mile will be doing spot-on roasts for your likings.

If you're a fan of moka pots / espresso, Steve @ Hasbean probably roasts more suitably for your likings.

Erm, quite a few of Steve's beans are also filterable... But he wouldn't tend to roast anything as light as SQM tend to.
 
As an aside, the milder blends (lighter roasts) do in fact have somewhat more caffeine than the darker roasts. It seems counter-intuitive, but the stronger tasting coffee usually has a bit less caffeine in it.

I just use a pump-driven espresso machine. Dark roast taste, and tons of caffeine. :)
 
The boy ran out of coffee for his morning brew, and we haven't got any filters for the percolator...so he put about 7 cups worth of grounds in a pan and boiled it up...it was like tar, and i still can't scrape him off the ceiling. Think i'll leave him 'til he's ready to float down by himself :D
 
As an aside, the milder blends (lighter roasts) do in fact have somewhat more caffeine than the darker roasts. It seems counter-intuitive, but the stronger tasting coffee usually has a bit less caffeine in it.

I just use a pump-driven espresso machine. Dark roast taste, and tons of caffeine. :)

You'll only get a 'dark roast taste' out of a 'pump-driven espresso machine' if you're using a dark-roast bean. Although that was seen as the 'standard' years back ('Italian roast' is one step off charcoal), you wouldn't find that many fresh-roasters roasting particularly dark these days. I very much doubt you'd find a single 'dark roast bean' at the World Barista Championships.

Why?

Because roast characteristics obliterate bean characteristics when something's dark roast. There's just no point in dark roasting, unless you're drinking shit beans. You can get depth / chocolate / sweetness - and a myriad of other deep / dark / blooming flavours (as well as fruity / bright / acidic tones) in a lighter-roast. After a certain point, that'll be completely obliterated by the characteristics of the roast. The main benefit of roasting reet dark is therefore likely to be obliterating the shitness of a bad bean. This is also - arguably - the principle of lattes :D

Steve @ Hasbean roasts many, many of his beans just into the first pips of second crack; that's somewhere between a heavy filter roast, and a light espresso. It's oftentimes a bit heavy for my filter likings, tbh, but it's spot-on for espresso.

e2a: ohhh... also...

wiki said:
Compared on the basis of usual serving sizes, a 30 mL (1 fluid ounce) shot of espresso has about half the caffeine of a standard 180 mL (6 fluid ounce) cup of drip brewed coffee, which varies from 80 to 130 mg.[2]

A double shot should have about the same amount of caffeine as a standard 6floz filter cup.

The main difference is often that some commercial roasters chuck a shitload of Robusta into their blend, to bulk up caffeine levels and 'crema' production on lower-quality espresso machines. Stale robusta put through a shit machine, can still produce a crema that imitates a good pour from a fresh bean. You... just can't... get away with Robusta in a filter blend in the same kinda way.

Though that's got me wondering if anyone sells Robusta blended for filter...... *shudders*
 
The boy ran out of coffee for his morning brew, and we haven't got any filters for the percolator...so he put about 7 cups worth of grounds in a pan and boiled it up...it was like tar, and i still can't scrape him off the ceiling. Think i'll leave him 'til he's ready to float down by himself :D

Suggest he googles 'Turkish coffee'. I brewed up some for a laff when I last visited the parents, and we uncovered a 1920s Turkish grinder.

It was astonishingly good, and phenomenally unbitter, considering the brewing process. And all the equipment should be... adaptable... from kitchen stuff to hand... maybe not ideal, but adaptable...

:)
 
https://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/Celebes-Toraja-Kalosi.html

https://www.hasbean.co.uk/products/The-Breakfast-Bomb.html

Or any Robusta. If you really want caffeine (and it sounds like you're drinking pure drek already), you can't beat Robusta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffea_canephora



People who give a shit about taste usually avoid Robusta like the plague, as virtually every bean has undertones of burnt rubber and sewage. However, scum mix it into rancid blends in order to add punch and an appearance of a good extraction (it boosts crema, meaning even the most skill-bereft twunt can get a shot that looks good, even if it tastes like febrile horse's piss).

Incidentally, it seems worth adding that many manufacturers / sellers use roast as a proxy for 'strength'. And often mean flavour 'strength' instead of caffeine strength - there isn't that much variance in caffeine levels between varieties of Arabica (the stuff that doesn't taste like sewage and burnt rubber).

A lighter roast will generally taste lighter. I believe the caffeine may also be slightly less available / diffusable, but don't quote me on that.

Whereas a strong / dark / Italian / heading-towards-charcoal roast will taste of pure fucking roast coffee. It'll blitz all the origin characteristics out of the window, but will taste like 'strong coffee'.

Without meaning to state the absolutely fucking obvious, brewing beans for longer will add to the 'strength' of the brew. As will brewing a greater quantity of grounds.

If it's genuinely the caffeine you're after, you could probably get a decent *punch* of caffeine by brewing something on the 'low strength' end of the scale. But brewing lots of it, for longer. tbh, I'd imagine you'd benefit from doing the same with 'strength five' beans (whatever the fuck that's meant to mean). If you want more caffeine.

Hint: if your coffee tastes vile and bitter beyond belief, that's what you're after. Caffeine is bitter. A higher percentage of caffeine in the cup will make a bitter shot / cup.

Most people with any sense whatsoever would hope to stop the extraction somewhat earlier - at the point at which the best oils / solids have been extracted, and the flavour is decently balanced. Ideally, neither sharp (underextracted / cold) nor bitter (overextracted / hot).

A 'good' extraction won't be bitter. Genuinely. It won't be bitter.

A good extraction also won't be loaded with ridiculous levels of caffeine. I can drink two or three double shots of my home brew, but drinking a piss-poor cup in a shit cafe will often leave me wired.

Then again, it sounds like you honestly don't give a shit about flavour or a decent extraction. And, hey, it sounds like you're buying pretty awful beans atm anyhows (genuine life after roast = approx 3 weeks; average 'best before' on supermarket beans = 18 months). If so, more power to you.

I hope the above gives you some idea about how to wrangle more caffeine out of your cup.

*clears throat*

As a coffee roaster of several years (sadly no more), I can vouch for what is being said here. I'd underline it with this sweary sentence:

Over-extract the fucker to fuck. Then reduce it.

It's very clear you don't care how it tastes, and as much as it pains me to see coffee being so vilely treated, it's the buzz you're after, not the qualities of taste and flavour. if it was flavour and taste you wanted, I'd suggest you drop a speed bomb and then drink some lovely coffee straight after and pretend it was the coffee what did it :D
 
Suggest he googles 'Turkish coffee'. I brewed up some for a laff when I last visited the parents, and we uncovered a 1920s Turkish grinder.

It was astonishingly good, and phenomenally unbitter, considering the brewing process. And all the equipment should be... adaptable... from kitchen stuff to hand... maybe not ideal, but adaptable...

:)

That stuff is class :D Had a shot the other night in a Turkish restaurant. And you get a free almond liqueur there as well, just for being good and drinking their coffee :)
 
Right. Got myself a proper percolator and it really does make a difference. Thanks for the tip. The 'Breakfast Bomb' off hasbean is too much for me, even - two mugs and it's like the onset of a panic attack! :D

Bought some lovely milder Costa Rican stuff and the Tesco's Espresso that I was previously turning my nose up at tastes lovely from the percolator, too.

Thanks for all the tips - I am drinking much better stuff now as a result. :)
 
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