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You do realise we are a long way from hitting the bottom of this don't you johnny? there is probably at least 2 more years of people going out of work and getting poorer and poorer, it's gonna be fucking shit. i remember the recession in the 90s, my parents both being put out of work and having to sign on the dole after working their arses for 20 years helping out fucked up kids, cos helping fucked up kids became a luxury, this one is worse, and those fucked up kids who sudden;y became not worth helping now have their own kids

i'd spend the extra cash you are making on guns and armored fences, if you are doing ok someone is going to come and take all your shit
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I didn't design things this way. And without people like me, the disarray could get really ugly.
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it will get really ugly

that's why you are a prick for gloating about your middle class status. i'm middle class as well mate, but it really isn't in our hands that we stay middle class
 
isitme said:
You do realise we are a long way from hitting the bottom of this don't you johnny? there is probably at least 2 more years of people going out of work and getting poorer and poorer, it's gonna be fucking shit. i remember the recession in the 90s, my parents both being put out of work and having to sign on the dole after working their arses for 20 years helping out fucked up kids, cos helping fucked up kids became a luxury, this one is worse, and those fucked up kids who sudden;y became not worth helping now have their own kids

i'd spend the extra cash you are making on guns and armored fences, if you are doing ok someone is going to come and take all your shit
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I remember a recession in the eighties. Was there one in the nineties, too? For the most part, these cycles haven't really affected me. For one thing, I don't own real estate, so it's not like my net worth is about to evaporate in the mortgage crisis. I don't use credit, so not having it available, doesn't bother me that much.

As for what will happen in the next two years, I think it's a bit early to be doing a Chicken Little routine just yet.
 
isitme said:
it will get really ugly

that's why you are a prick for gloating about your middle class status. i'm middle class as well mate, but it really isn't in our hands that we stay middle class
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Well, I'm not as much of a pessimist as you seem to be. It amazes me the way people go on and on about recessions on here. Maybe Britain is hit harder than NA.

I'm not gloating. I'm stating a fact.

My mother worked as a telephone operator, back when they had such things, and given that she was a single mother, we were far from middle class. Back about 30 years ago, it became apparent to me that the middle class was beginning to shrink, and that the two options left, would be the lower, and something a little higher. Given that I didn't want to remain at the bottom where I had been born, I took steps to ensure that I had skills that would see me through comfortably. That's what I did.

If you're so unhappy with your situation, do something about it. Anything at all, besides complaining.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I remember a recession in the eighties. Was there one in the nineties, too? For the most part, these cycles haven't really affected me. For one thing, I don't own real estate, so it's not like my net worth is about to evaporate in the mortgage crisis. I don't use credit, so not having it available, doesn't bother me that much.

As for what will happen in the next two years, I think it's a bit early to be doing a Chicken Little routine just yet.
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Well noone knows what you do, I assumed you were a lawyer but I'm sure you said you aren't

It isn't about you making all the right decisions with your money tho jonny, believe it or not I wasn't talking about the whole world as it relates to you. what I was saying is that this shit does affect you, lots of people are going to be fucked wether they were smart or not
 
isitme said:
Well noone knows what you do, I assumed you were a lawyer but I'm sure you said you aren't

It isn't about you making all the right decisions with your money tho jonny, believe it or not I wasn't talking about the whole world as it relates to you. what I was saying is that this shit does affect you, lots of people are going to be fucked wether they were smart or not
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And I've said that we don't know that yet for sure. Do you believe everything the news reports say?

As for the second part, I was talking about how I've tried to adapt my life to deal with eventualities. You seem to be a smart person. Why don't you do that too?
 
I'll admit, though, that the final chapters of my book haven't been written, so it's still too early to say what the ending will turn out like.:)
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Well, I'm not as much of a pessimist as you seem to be. It amazes me the way people go on and on about recessions on here. Maybe Britain is hit harder than NA.

I'm not gloating. I'm stating a fact.

My mother worked as a telephone operator, back when they had such things, and given that she was a single mother, we were far from middle class. Back about 30 years ago, it became apparent to me that the middle class was beginning to shrink, and that the two options left, would be the lower, and something a little higher. Given that I didn't want to remain at the bottom where I had been born, I took steps to ensure that I had skills that would see me through comfortably. That's what I did.

If you're so unhappy with your situation, do something about it. Anything at all, besides complaining.
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I'm not complaining I'm just trying to predict the future, same as you :D

You did well for yourself, I'm not trying to make out like that is a bad thing, but you do realise that you are a reflection of Canada becoming a rich country? If you grew up in Burma you wouldn't have been able to make the right choices etc

And now the system that made you rich is falling to pieces, and even if you do end up in the rich corner you will probablt have to shoot someone at some point cos there are a lot more people who aren't as smart as you who want your stuff
 
isitme said:
You did well for yourself, I'm not trying to make out like that is a bad thing, but you do realise that you are a reflection of Canada becoming a rich country? If you grew up in Burma you wouldn't have been able to make the right choices etc
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And if I'd been born with leukemia, I'd be dead by now.
 
isitme said:
And now the system that made you rich is falling to pieces,
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I've said this before: it often seems that those who are unsettled in their own lives, almost yearn for bad times in general. I think it's on the theory that if everything goes to shit, it might give them a chance at some sort of new start that will be better than the way things are for them now.
 
isitme said:
even if you do end up in the rich corner you will probablt have to shoot someone at some point cos there are a lot more people who aren't as smart as you who want your stuff
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There already are lots of people who have less than me. Even when I was poor, there were those who were poorer.

It'll be tough for me to shoot anyone without a gun. And truth be told, it's not like I've surrounded myself with material possessions that people would hunger for anyway. My house isn't a good looting target.
 
I'll tell you the main good thing my money brought for me. It allowed me to raise my children without the same worries that I had as a kid re money, security etc. The rest, the material stuff, is mostly bullshit to me.

There were good chunks of my life where we lived with relatives. My kids have always had a home.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
, I was talking about how I've tried to adapt my life to deal with eventualities. You seem to be a smart person. Why don't you do that too?
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I am trying to, I seem like a smart person but i'm not tho...the way I look at shit is, in 2006 I lived with a beautiful girlfriend in an apartment which had a study and a spare bedroom, and I had a job I could turn up to an hour late and my boss didn't mind, she was a really beautiful woman and she used to buy us pizza or dim sun for our lunch at work

but by the end of 2007 I had lost my job, my girlfriend, and i was working as a temp filing.

maybe it was all my fault, but it can just disappear so quickly,
 
isitme said:
I am trying to, I seem like a smart person but i'm not tho...the way I look at shit is, in 2006 I lived with a beautiful girlfriend in an apartment which had a study and a spare bedroom, and I had a job I could turn up to an hour late and my boss didn't mind, she was a really beautiful woman and she used to buy us pizza or dim sun for our lunch at work

but by the end of 2007 I had lost my job, my girlfriend, and i was working as a temp filing.

maybe it was all my fault, but it can just disappear so quickly,
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Yep. So. You can either lie down and die, feeling sorry for yourself, or fucking get on with things.

I went through some shit once. I even tried the lying down thing. But then I thought: what the fuck am I doing? If I give up, the only one who loses, is me.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I'll tell you the main good thing my money brought for me. It allowed me to raise my children without the same worries that I had as a kid re money, security etc. The rest, the material stuff, is mostly bullshit to me..
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Well that is all you can ask for isn't it?

you do seem like a good guy, and I know you are telling the truth there, but what you just said there doesn't tie in with your whole 'it works for me, i'll get more work if everyone is in the shit' posturing

The reason that it annoys people is that in real life most people are short of money, and it isn't cos they are all stupid. People were saying the same thing when your mum was working all hours to bring you up and still needing to depend on her family for help. your attitude comes across as dismissive of her, and i bet she worked twice as many hours as you do at least
 
isitme said:
Well that is all you can ask for isn't it?

you do seem like a good guy, and I know you are telling the truth there, but what you just said there doesn't tie in with your whole 'it works for me, i'll get more work if everyone is in the shit' posturing
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Well, it's complicated, isn't it. I sit here, there are a number of people who depend on me for their survival. I look at the house, the life, the work, but part of me goes back to a kid sleeping in his aunt's basement, and the fact that in some place, the feeling that something will come and take it all away, lingers on.

So I do whatever to make sure that doesn't happen. I don't make any apologies for what I do in that regard. Life is tough. Some make it, some don't.

Like I said, I didn't design it that way, but I won't be one of the ones who lies down at the side of the road.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Yep. So. You can either lie down and die, feeling sorry for yourself, or fucking get on with things.

I went through some shit once. I even tried the lying down thing. But then I thought: what the fuck am I doing? If I give up, the only one who loses, is me.
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nah mate, i am, i haven't given up at all, believe it or not i have actually thought about what i am going to do for the next 10 years of my life and it sounds pretty cool :D

I have had problems with my visa so for the next 2 months of my life I'm sat here making music and posting on urban and reading books....
 
And it's a fact. In my line of work, people in conflict means I get more work.

As it turns out, seems to be a slim chance that conflict between people is going to die out any time soon. It's like sex and gambling, sort of.
 
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