Vegetarians more intelligent than meat eaters!!!

[bus]

factory farming is cruel, no boubt about that. But the meat is cheeper and try telling a family living on the bread line that they cant eat that meat and must buy meat from a free range farm that costs quids more. then see that they say to you.

IF mr and mrs breadline were fully aware of what suffering was involved in giving them their gaily decorated pack of kneecaps and sawdust, and IF they were aware of the health risks they ran because of the general fucking around that goes on with the food they eat and IF they were aware of the environmental damage that goes with their 99p chicken, and peripheral issues like the reduction in the effect of antibiotics for example I *might* have some sympathy with that argument.

Personally, if someone is aware of all that and is still prepared to eat mate - fair enough. I personally don't argue with the fact (and fact it is) that people are designed to eat meat. However I don't accept that people are designed to eat meat thats pumped full of shit, and is derived from a process thats so unbelievably cruel it's staggering. I don't despise people that eat meat (my girlfriend does for a start), but I do despise a culture that hides what goes on to provide that "cheap" meat.

Sorry, thats not completely true. I fucking well DO despise meat eaters who don't like to be told that their bacon comes from pigs, or that those funny little turkeys are slaughtered in disgusting conditions so that they can complain about what a dry meat it is on Christmas Day.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

IF mr and mrs breadline were fully aware of what suffering was involved in giving them their gaily decorated pack of kneecaps and sawdust, and IF they were aware of the health risks they ran because of the general fucking around that goes on with the food they eat and IF they were aware of the environmental damage that goes with their 99p chicken, and peripheral issues like the reduction in the effect of antibiotics for example I *might* have some sympathy with that argument.

Personally, if someone is aware of all that and is still prepared to eat mate - fair enough. I personally don't argue with the fact (and fact it is) that people are designed to eat meat. However I don't accept that people are designed to eat meat thats pumped full of shit, and is derived from a process thats so unbelievably cruel it's staggering. I don't despise people that eat meat (my girlfriend does for a start), but I do despise a culture that hides what goes on to provide that "cheap" meat.

Sorry, thats not completely true. I fucking well DO despise meat eaters who don't like to be told that their bacon comes from pigs, or that those funny little turkeys are slaughtered in disgusting conditions so that they can complain about what a dry meat it is on Christmas Day.

precisely...

there is no truck in the veggies are smarter than meat eatters test at all except to pursue an agenda which is to demonise meat eatters...

hello there's fuck all goodness in an angle delight or ice cream for that matter shoudl that mean we shouldn't eat them... top of the food chain...

 

[William of Walworth]

Sorry, I've only read page 1 , will catch up with the rest another time.

I think the research described in the BBC report could well be dodgy -- I'm not a great fan of IQ tests ...

But it'd be nice to think we're smarter .. I've always been a veggie though ...

 

[vipper]

i've seen photos of dead human emboyros in a chinese kitchen.
now that's some scary shit.

That's nothing.

I've seen innocent baby carrots, ripped from the soil they loved leaving their roots behind, then peeled and plunged into boiling water to end their days. Now that's cruel.

 

[bus]

nope!

you've either misunderstood me, or the argument that veggies are smarter than meat eaters is true (joke!)

I'm a veggie, have been for 12 years-ish. I'm a veggie for 3 main reasons;

1./ I like animals, and I wouldn't kill one. to eat something I'm not prepared to kill myself makes me (i think) a bit hypocritical, so i don't.

2./ I have very VERY deep concerns for the implications to health caused by the process of factory farming. CJD, the reduction in the effectiveness of antibiotics, and the growth in obesity can all be linked to factory farming.

3./ The meat industry, the industrialisation of the process to deliver cheap meat to the table is FUCKING DISGUSTING, even excluding the health risks inherent in the process. I saw tihs at first hand - one of my first jobs after leaving school was erecting refrigerated rooms, and i had to put one up in an abbatoir. I've never eaten meat since..its fucking horrible.

Now if you're prepared to eat meat, thats fine. I think that you should be made COMPLETELY aware of how that met got to you, and what was involved in the process. Personally, I think that anyone who isn't an emotional
cripple, and that saw the meat industry for what it is would want change.

your anthropromorphication argument, to my mind at any rate is semantic bollocks. Its entirely possible to have compassion for an animal. do you think that all the people on here who have pet cats and dogs have no compassion for them? are those same people incapable of feeling compassion for a cow, on the basis that we've made some arbitary distinction that a cow's food, and a terrier isn't?

Now to repeat myself and hopefully be clearer, I don't especially have a problem with people eating meat in principle, but I fucking well do have a problem with the meat industry. I believe that if people knew what was being done to give them that cheap meat, or indeed what shit it is they're really eating, most of them would scream for change. Contravertially perhaps, I believe that any that didn't, given all the horrors of that industry, and the direct threats to their own health, probably need psychiatric help.

Or perhaps more succinctly "being top of the foodchain does not give you the right to behave like a cunt"

precisely...

there is no truck in the veggies are smarter than meat eatters test at all except to pursue an agenda which is to demonise meat eatters...

hello there's fuck all goodness in an angle delight or ice cream for that matter shoudl that mean we shouldn't eat them... top of the food chain...

 

[dash]

huh? more so that the falwed study which uses a small sized sample group of only 8000 to extrapolate that veggies are more intellient than meat eaters with out factoring any other variables except to make corrections afterwards...

LOL 8000 is a massive sample size.

 

[Structaural]

yes of course compassion can only be had for humans...

compassion
a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is stricken by misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering.

is only applicable to humans... there can be no compassion for animals, that's anthropromorphication... deal with the fact that you and others are projecting human feeling and emotions on to other speices of animals in order to feel that they in some way relate to you... other than as prey... or food...

that's fine you do that but please don't think this is normal... it's not it's conditioned... they are food, they are prey ...

where is it written that we should have comapssion for food...

You're entitled to your point of view of course. We are also animals and I am perfectly able to feel compassion beyond my species. Other animals often do it too, protecting the babies of other species.
It's not anthropomorphication at all, it's an ability to see and feel that an animal that also has skin, nerves, a brain, a pumping heart, lungs and a only a chromosome differently to me feels the same pain as me. This has fuck all to do with whether they feel emotions or are able to waste their lives philosophising. Stand on a dog's leg and tell me that animal is not in pain.
We are top primates - the rest of which are (mostly) vegetarian. We eat meat because we can - because capitalism takes care of it, there's massive profit in it and it panders to our greedy and disconnected natures.

'Where is it written'? - what you on about?

 

[Structaural]

"being top of the foodchain does not give you the right to behave like a cunt"

Word.

 

[madzone]

you really need to learn abotu pathrpromorphication ...

If I anthropomorphised my animals I wouldn't be able to eat them.

 

[sonik]

I knew it, i am a genius!!!

 

[madzone]

nope!

you've either misunderstood me, or the argument that veggies are smarter than meat eaters is true (joke!)

I'm a veggie, have been for 12 years-ish. I'm a veggie for 3 main reasons;

1./ I like animals, and I wouldn't kill one. to eat something I'm not prepared to kill myself makes me (i think) a bit hypocritical, so i don't.

2./ I have very VERY deep concerns for the implications to health caused by the process of factory farming. CJD, the reduction in the effectiveness of antibiotics, and the growth in obesity can all be linked to factory farming.

3./ The meat industry, the industrialisation of the process to deliver cheap meat to the table is FUCKING DISGUSTING, even excluding the health risks inherent in the process. I saw tihs at first hand - one of my first jobs after leaving school was erecting refrigerated rooms, and i had to put one up in an abbatoir. I've never eaten meat since..its fucking horrible.

Now if you're prepared to eat meat, thats fine. I think that you should be made COMPLETELY aware of how that met got to you, and what was involved in the process. Personally, I think that anyone who isn't an emotional
cripple, and that saw the meat industry for what it is would want change.

your anthropromorphication argument, to my mind at any rate is semantic bollocks. Its entirely possible to have compassion for an animal. do you think that all the people on here who have pet cats and dogs have no compassion for them? are those same people incapable of feeling compassion for a cow, on the basis that we've made some arbitary distinction that a cow's food, and a terrier isn't?

Now to repeat myself and hopefully be clearer, I don't especially have a problem with people eating meat in principle, but I fucking well do have a problem with the meat industry. I believe that if people knew what was being done to give them that cheap meat, or indeed what shit it is they're really eating, most of them would scream for change. Contravertially perhaps, I believe that any that didn't, given all the horrors of that industry, and the direct threats to their own health, probably need psychiatric help.

Or perhaps more succinctly "being top of the foodchain does not give you the right to behave like a cunt"

Hallelujah slice the dumpling! Top post

 

[Ms Ordinary]

btw the report isn't saying "a vegetarian diet makes you become intelligent" it is saying "intelligent people (as defined by IQ tests) are more likely to choose to become vegetarian"

"Intelligent children are more likely to become vegetarians later in life, a study says.

A Southampton University team found those who were vegetarian by 30 had recorded five IQ points more on average at the age of 10."

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

btw the report isn't saying "a vegetarian diet makes you become intelligent" it is saying "intelligent people (as defined by IQ tests) are more likely to choose to become vegetarian"

"Intelligent children are more likely to become vegetarians later in life, a study says.

A Southampton University team found those who were vegetarian by 30 had recorded five IQ points more on average at the age of 10."

who cares, we are the brainy people and all those carnivores hate it....HOORAY

 

[dada]

Or perhaps more succinctly "being top of the foodchain does not give you the right to behave like a cunt"

second that.
that's a sign of not being intelligent enough.

 

[madzone]

who cares, we are the brainy people and all those carnivores hate it....HOORAY

I don't hate it I'm very pleased for you.

 

[f for fake]

nope!

you've either misunderstood me, or the argument that veggies are smarter than meat eaters is true (joke!)

I'm a veggie, have been for 12 years-ish. I'm a veggie for 3 main reasons;

1./ I like animals, and I wouldn't kill one. to eat something I'm not prepared to kill myself makes me (i think) a bit hypocritical, so i don't.

2./ I have very VERY deep concerns for the implications to health caused by the process of factory farming. CJD, the reduction in the effectiveness of antibiotics, and the growth in obesity can all be linked to factory farming.

3./ The meat industry, the industrialisation of the process to deliver cheap meat to the table is FUCKING DISGUSTING, even excluding the health risks inherent in the process. I saw tihs at first hand - one of my first jobs after leaving school was erecting refrigerated rooms, and i had to put one up in an abbatoir. I've never eaten meat since..its fucking horrible.

Now if you're prepared to eat meat, thats fine. I think that you should be made COMPLETELY aware of how that met got to you, and what was involved in the process. Personally, I think that anyone who isn't an emotional
cripple, and that saw the meat industry for what it is would want change.

your anthropromorphication argument, to my mind at any rate is semantic bollocks. Its entirely possible to have compassion for an animal. do you think that all the people on here who have pet cats and dogs have no compassion for them? are those same people incapable of feeling compassion for a cow, on the basis that we've made some arbitary distinction that a cow's food, and a terrier isn't?

Now to repeat myself and hopefully be clearer, I don't especially have a problem with people eating meat in principle, but I fucking well do have a problem with the meat industry. I believe that if people knew what was being done to give them that cheap meat, or indeed what shit it is they're really eating, most of them would scream for change. Contravertially perhaps, I believe that any that didn't, given all the horrors of that industry, and the direct threats to their own health, probably need psychiatric help.

Or perhaps more succinctly "being top of the foodchain does not give you the right to behave like a cunt"

Bus, thats the sort of argument i like, backed up by real issues, why you dont agree to meat eating, i have a lot more respect to people like yourslef who say that, rather than "look at you killing an animal, its not the human thing to do etc etc"
Personaly i have worked in a meat packing factory, not nice picking the frozzen rib cages out of the bins and seeing the dead animals hanging about the place. But i have acepted it as that is how they are killed and worked on. Yes i agree that CHD and other medical conditions do come about from eating the cheepest meat avaiable. But some times i dont have the money to buy the better quality free range cows sheep and lambs. But at the end of the day i know what i am doing and know of the risks.
I drink beer and whisky and i know it can fuck up my liver and kidneys but i dont smoke. Its all about choises at the end of the day.
Thank You