Vegans urged to switch to cow milk instead of soya milk to save the planet.

[gentlegreen]

Agreed, unfortunately I have a male dog so no dog milk for me :'(
eta: soya milk is rank

I'll happily neck a litre of supermarket unsweetened soy as "dessert" - but then I made the switch nearly 40 years ago ...
Are they really saying they've re-done the sums and most soy is not being produced to inefficiently convert into animal products ?
And that all us soy milk lovers can easily swap to grass-fed milk ?

 

[alsoknownas]

Miserable children whose father insists they eat them with water.

I remember when I went
With Momma to the Washateria
Remember how I felt the day
I first started my period
Remember there in school one day
I learned I was inferior
Water in my cereal
Badu in your stereo
Holla if you hear me though

 

[maomao]

Miserable children whose father insists they eat them with water.

Almost all children can digest lactose properly while only 2/3 - 3/4 of adult humans can. Which is why cornflakes with milk on it is a children's food.

 

[gentlegreen]

Add oats to your cornflakes and they taste pretty good with (hot) water.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Are they really saying they've re-done the sums and most soy is not being produced to inefficiently convert into animal products ?
And that all us soy milk lovers can easily swap to grass-fed milk ?

Seems to be the case.

It has been claimed that consuming soya-extracted ‘milk’
drinks rather than feeding soya bean meal to cows to
produce milk is more efficient in terms of soya use (Whiting,
2019). The yield of soya drink ranges from 4.25 to 7.5 litres
per kg whole soya bean fresh weight, depending on the scale
of operation (Young, 2017). Based on information from the
UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
(Personal communication, 2017), it has been estimated
that between 92,000 and 173,000 tonnes of soya bean meal
is used in dairy cow diets in the UK (Young, 2017). Total
milk production in the UK was 14,713 million litres in
2017/18 (Statista, 2019b), which can be calculated as the
yield of dairy cow milk being 85 litres per kg soya bean
meal consumed. Kroes and Kuepper (2015) calculated that
7 g of soya bean meal is needed to produce 200 ml of dairy
cow milk, or 28.6 litres per kg soya bean meal. The higher
relative use of soya in European dairy farming compared
with UK may reflect the greater abundance of grass growth
in the latter. Therefore, it seems reasonable to assume that
the yield of dairy cow milk in Europe is between four and
11 times higher than the yield of soya drink produced direct
from soya beans, depending on the extent to which soya
bean meal is used in dairy cow nutrition in different regions.

A further consideration is that dairy cow milk is made
from the meal co-product of soya oil production, with little
residual oil, whereas soya drink is made from whole beans.

https://www.wageningenacademic.com/doi/epdf/10.3920/JAAN2020.0007

 

[gentlegreen]

I bet the left-over pulp ends up as animal feed to be fair ...

 

[discokermit]

if you dont drink cows milk you spit in the face of all your ancestors who worked so hard to make you lactose tolerant.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

“Better for the planet” in what way? Agriculture, especially dairy farming and production of beef, is a massive source of carbon & other emissions. i smell bullshlt from that charity

 

[Saul Goodman]

I bet the left-over pulp ends up as animal feed to be fair ...

That's what happens. The parts used for animal feed are generally the bits that are left over after, and if no use to humans.

 

[T & P]

Cream, ice cream, butter, and above all cheese, are both indispensable and only viable though the use of animal milk. Like it or not (and everyone should, because it and/or its derivatives are so fucking tasty) real milk will be around for as long as human race is.

 

[Saul Goodman]

“Better for the planet” in what way? Agriculture, especially dairy farming and production of beef, is a massive source of carbon & other emissions. i smell bullshlt from that charity

Better for the planet than drinking soya milk. If it takes 10x more beans to produce soya milk, that means 10x more deforestation. Deforestation is bad for the planet.

 

[maomao]

Cream, ice cream, butter, and above all cheese, are both indispensable and only viable though the use of animal milk. Like it or not (and everyone should, because it and/or its derivatives are so fucking tasty) real milk will be around for as long as human race is.

Depends. Here is a map of lactose tolerance (lighter colours indicate majority lactose tolerance):



A decent meteor strike over the atlantic, a tactical nuclear war, or even a couple of really big earthquakes and accompanying tsunamis in the right place could easily reduce the lactose tolerant minority to the point where large scale dairy production just wasn't viable anymore.

 

[purenarcotic]

Given the volume of the world population, I can’t imagine there is any food or drink we can make without it having a significant impact on the environment. All we can do is go for the least shit options and work on making them even less shit I think.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Depends. Here is a map of lactose tolerance (lighter colours indicate majority lactose tolerance):

View attachment 227151

A decent meteor strike over the atlantic, a tactical nuclear war, or even a couple of really big earthquakes and accompanying tsunamis in the right place could easily reduce the lactose tolerant minority to the point where large scale dairy production just wasn't viable anymore.

Lots of processes reduce lactose, though, including turning milk into butter, cheese or yoghurt. Hard cheeses have virtually no lactose at all.

 

[Sasaferrato]

And people with serious munchies.

ASDA's ersatz Coco Pops for me.

 

[editor]

“Better for the planet” in what way? Agriculture, especially dairy farming and production of beef, is a massive source of carbon & other emissions. i smell bullshlt from that charity

You don't say?

Sustainable Food Trust

Eating meat

sustainablefoodtrust.org

I can't imagine any vegans paying the slightest bit of attention to this bloke's personal opinion on their choice of diet. There's plenty of solid global peer reviewed research that rubbish his findings anyway. Not even sure why anyone would think it's worth a thread of its own, tbh.

 

[discokermit]

cows, chickens, sheep, all created by humans, none exist in the wild. have we no duty of care towards our creations? doesnt the cow deserve to live?

 

[alsoknownas]

if you dont drink cows milk you spit in the face of all your ancestors who worked so hard to make you lactose tolerant.

If you do drink cow's milk and spit in the face of all your ancestors, it will be problematic for them because they haven't sufficiently built up their lactose tolerance .

 

[gentlegreen]

I was curious some years back when I was experimenting with cheese after 20-odd years on a vegan diet, to see if it would affect me, but it didn't... I can eat pretty well anything - and I suppose the fermentation process helped somewhat - and I only ate stinky cheese ...
There was a guy at work who must have been in his 40s at the time whose breath always stank of borderline rancid milk - I'm not sure if that was a good or a bad thing ....

 

[butcher]

“Better for the planet” in what way? Agriculture, especially dairy farming and production of beef, is a massive source of carbon & other emissions. i smell bullshlt from that charity

You would be better off lowering your thermostat, cycling more and cutting out the petrochemicals The Biogenic Carbon Cycle and Cattle

Anyway, no point asking veggies to think clearly about this as their brains are hungry for meat goodness The Brain Needs Animal Fat

 

[Jay Park]

I can't imagine life without profiteroles. Or tiramisu.

or necking 4 pints of milk after an Iceland pizza when you were 15 and on the munchies

 

[Jay Park]

I was curious some years back when I was experimenting with cheese after 20-odd years on a vegan diet, to see if it would affect me, but it didn't... I can eat pretty well anything - and I suppose the fermentation process helped somewhat - and I only ate stinky cheese ...
There was a guy at work who must have been in his 40s at the time whose breath always stank of borderline rancid milk - I'm not sure if that was a good or a bad thing ....

when you say ‘experimenting’ - what kind? Fastest cheese over 100m or which block of acrid breast milk would tolerate your boring arse pontificating the most?

 

[editor]

Anyway, no point asking veggies to think clearly about this as their brains are hungry for meat goodness The Brain Needs Animal Fat

Awesome source dude! Some random on the internet offering an Alternative & Holistic Health Service always overthrows decades of scientific research by qualified experts on these matters.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I for one predict that this thread will cover lots of new ground and help many people change their minds on this subject.

 

[gentlegreen]

when you say ‘experimenting’ - what kind? Fastest cheese over 100m or which block of acrid breast milk would tolerate your boring arse pontificating the most?

up to and including Époisses de Bourgogne . - a cheese that is allegedly forbidden on French public transport and which makes most Camaembert seem bland in comparison..

 

[editor]

I for one predict that this thread will cover lots of new ground and help many people change their minds on this subject.

Judging by the low, low quality of the sources provided, it really deserves a swift death from embarrassment.

 

[Flavour]

who needs to drink any kind of milk anyway? literally it's only use is for putting in tea, and honestly, once you get used to black tea is so much better, the problem is that most British black tea is way too strong (one teabag contains enough for at least 2 or 3 cups tbh) and therefore people put milk in to take the edge off.

the only use for milk in my opinion is for making cheese. and cereal? what a joke. mad to think how Kellogg (a mad religious fanatic) convinced america (and then the UK) to eat this stuff.

 

[gentlegreen]

Muesli with soy milk is properly yummy - I tend to have bran flakes too - sometimes bran flakes and rolled oats - often with apple sauce as a sweetener and curdler ...

I agree that milk of any kind has no place anywhere near (good) tea or coffee ...

 

[JimW]

Depends. Here is a map of lactose tolerance (lighter colours indicate majority lactose tolerance):

View attachment 227151

A decent meteor strike over the atlantic, a tactical nuclear war, or even a couple of really big earthquakes and accompanying tsunamis in the right place could easily reduce the lactose tolerant minority to the point where large scale dairy production just wasn't viable anymore.

Do you reckon Mongolia is really majority lactose intolerant? Seems a bit surprising. Thought Japan had been on a free school milk thing for a century or more now too but only vague on that. Han China alone is enough to show dairy is entirely optional of course.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Another vote for oat milk, though I prefer a 70% oat 30%soya mix