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Kid_Eternity said:
I agree.
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I agree.
fishfingerer
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Spookily, Fight Club got the thumbs up from utterly bonkers right wing hack Mary Ellen Synon in Ireland.Kid_Eternity said:That reminds me of some of the mad reviews Fight Club got, especially the Evening Standard which said something like it was a Nazi film for people who liked the Nazis or something equally crazy...
just saw this film on youtube... I really enjoyed it. I thought it would be very different. It mainly came across a romance with hints of 'Brazil' about it to me. I haven't read the original moore story, but I am interested to, now...
Idris2002
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I finally saw this last night.
Some bits of it were very well done, but basically, I don't think it works.
In the comic where Evie is about to go on the game for the first time, and she gets caught by the fingermen it's genuinely terrifying. There was no sense of that in the equivalent scene in the film.
The politics weren't sketched properly. In the film her parents were just described as 'political activists', in the book it's 'my dad had been in a socialist group when he was young'.
As for the images of Sutler's fascist regime, it was too close to the styles of the 1930s. Any future - or present day - fascism will wear a suit and tie rather than a jackboot.
Some bits of it were very well done, but basically, I don't think it works.
In the comic where Evie is about to go on the game for the first time, and she gets caught by the fingermen it's genuinely terrifying. There was no sense of that in the equivalent scene in the film.
The politics weren't sketched properly. In the film her parents were just described as 'political activists', in the book it's 'my dad had been in a socialist group when he was young'.
As for the images of Sutler's fascist regime, it was too close to the styles of the 1930s. Any future - or present day - fascism will wear a suit and tie rather than a jackboot.
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snouty warthog said:
How are YouTube getting round all these copyright issues? They carry almost everything now.
in which case, can you recommend anything in a similar vein to V4V?BootyLove said:
Idris2002 said:
Idris my comment may have been puckish, but as you know there are various interpretations of fascism e.g. were the Blueshirts fascist or merely reactionary Irish Catholic free staters? Were Franco's forces fascist or nationalist militarists? Some argue that the nazis were not real fascists; I'd say certain elements of th'Order, if a minority, can be said to fall within that rubric.
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snouty warthog said:
ever seen Dark City?
no... couldn't find it on youtube, but I'll look out for it... my problem is I don't have a DVD player, and the video rentals places are phasing out video for new films... thanks for the rec
maya said:very lazy, black-and-white film adaptation...not surprised moore didn't want anything to do with it...
Moore has washed his hands of film adaptations since the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen fiasco. Since then we've had the dismal Constantine (which really pissed off Garth Ennis as well) and now this.
It's a decent action film but it simplfies things beyond belief, it also misses the point Moore was trying to make. Ok, it does clean up some of Moore's naiveity (the biowarware stuff makes more sense today than a limited nuclear war) but it makes its point with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.
Saying that, Dave Lloyd likes the film. He accepts that it would be very, very hard to make a Hollywood version of the book that remains faithful. This is, in his opinion, the best we'll get. Alan Moore disagrees even though he hasn't (and refuses) to see the film.
Still, we have Watchmen coming in 2008.
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snouty warthog said:no... couldn't find it on youtube, but I'll look out for it... my problem is I don't have a DVD player, and the video rentals places are phasing out video for new films... thanks for the rec
You can pick a DVD player up for about 30 quid these days.
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King Mob said:
Looking forward to that!
I would like to but as much as i liked Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead remake (and his adaptation of Frank Miller's 300 looks interesting) Watchmen is something else entirely.
I agree with Moore, it's meant to work only as a comic book. It's like Moby Dick, it's something meant to only work in its original form.
I agree with Moore, it's meant to work only as a comic book. It's like Moby Dick, it's something meant to only work in its original form.
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'Meant' is a bit like 'should': idealistic sentiments. The movie will be a separate piece of art based on the same story and hopefully will be judged on its own merits.
Personally I'd like films to wander away from being 'just like the book', I'll read the book if want that, my imagination is perfectly up to the task.
I'd prefer a slightly different interpretation like Blade Runner's take on Do Androids...
The film should stand on it's own and it's crap watching a film where you know what's going to happen...
Personally I'd like films to wander away from being 'just like the book', I'll read the book if want that, my imagination is perfectly up to the task.
I'd prefer a slightly different interpretation like Blade Runner's take on Do Androids...
The film should stand on it's own and it's crap watching a film where you know what's going to happen...
Kid_Eternity
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King Mob said:
That should be 'fun'...nice name btw.
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King Mob said:
Hate it? I despise that film.
I suppose what I'm saying is I'm a bit tired of all these very successful mediocre books being made into mediocre films. Film is it's own artform and most books are too long-winded to given any justice with a medium that works better from short stories.
Mind you a comic seems almost ideal to turn into a film as it's essentially a storyboard.
BootyLove said:
Some are. Part of the reason Marvel have had so much success in their films is that they'verealised their characters can translate well while retaining the same feel (lets not mention the FF film) as the comics. You don't need to have a faithful adaptation as long as Peter Parker in Spider-Man or Wolverine is a nutter with claws. These are characters in a state of grace and as long they remain faithful to those characters spirit (please forget the FF film) they'll translate well.
Something like Watchmen is using the artform to its fullest and needs all the backstory, it needs the 'Tales of the Black Frieghter' subtext. It's going to take a hell of a job to translate this faithfully and after the failure of From Hell i'm not convinced this will be any better.
Incidently, there was a time when Terry Gilliam was going to do the film from a script by Sam Hamm (who wrote the first two Batman films) and it was a decent script which even Moore liked. It died because Gilliam wasn't allowed to have the budget that would have made the film work. Shame, we could have had Big Arnie as Dr Manhattan.
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King Mob said:
I have - but then I never read the comic (nor do I know anyone who did).
They could do it just as it was - with the character reading it in the street as a comic book, most probably they'll leave it out... I'm still not sure I understand it
(mind you I read it at 15, I must drag it out again)Bit past it these days isn't he? Wasn't Dr Manhattan super intelligent
yeah... I don't actually own a telly. I'd rather not, in fact...BootyLove said:
I'm moving soon, and I might look into getting a PC with a DVD attachment...
spoiler!
brixtonvilla
should be Oslovilla, really
Without dragging this into a Watchmen - the movie thread, I think it's entirely possible to translate it into film without keeping the "Black Freighter" part. It's a very, very clever piece of dual narrative, and a nice meta-textual touch (what comics might be like in a world with real superheroes), but it's not vital to the story.
What is important is the back stories of the characters, and how they link to The Comedian, who really is the hub of the book. Current rumour is that it'll be spread over 2 movies, which seems like a better bet to me. I think a comparison could be drawn with LA Confidential, which is an immensely dense book, but which made an engrossing (although different) film.
What is important is the back stories of the characters, and how they link to The Comedian, who really is the hub of the book. Current rumour is that it'll be spread over 2 movies, which seems like a better bet to me. I think a comparison could be drawn with LA Confidential, which is an immensely dense book, but which made an engrossing (although different) film.
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