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US: Wal-Mart employee killed by stampeding bargain hunters

DotCommunist said:
cunts, frenzied enough to trample a man to death and for fucking what? a bargain:rolleyes:
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People who get stuck in a large crowd which then turns into a stampede hardly ever do it on purpose - the people at the front can't get out and those at the back don't realise there is a hold up or someone has fallen over. When something happens people might panic and start to try and get the hell out in any direction, which can make things worse.

Usually the blame should be put on the people responsible for organising the event for insufficient crowd control and crowd supervision. You shouldn't try and blame individuals if they end up stuck in a situation they could not foresee.
 
There must have been either serious intent to get in or a massive amount of pressure to "break down the doors" unless it is journalistic hyperbole.

Fucking ridiculous either way, poor bastard.
 
Im still hoping that this festive season will be more about spending quality time with friends & family and a lot less about stuff.

With so many having so little compared to previous years its our best hope in a long time.

Then I read shit like that.

Sad.
 
_float_ said:
People who get stuck in a large crowd which then turns into a stampede hardly ever do it on purpose - the people at the front can't get out and those at the back don't realise there is a hold up or someone has fallen over. When something happens people might panic and start to try and get the hell out in any direction, which can make things worse.

Usually the blame should be put on the people responsible for organising the event for insufficient crowd control and crowd supervision. You shouldn't try and blame individuals if they end up stuck in a situation they could not foresee.
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oh I know, crowds can quickly turn ugly when fear and claustrophobia/panic set in.

If they hadn't been the sort of consumerist drones who wait for a shop to open and mob it when it does, I might have less disdain for them.

I was gonna give it the old 'never happen in britain, we know how to que'

but then I remembered that Ikea-que stabby incident
 
What sucks is that guy is also a temp worker. No doubt he was being paid a shit hourly rate, no health care etc. If he has a family I really feel sorry for them :(.

TomPaine
 
DotCommunist said:
...If they hadn't been the sort of consumerist drones who wait for a shop to open and mob it when it does, I might have less disdain for them...
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The kind of people for whom the savings on sale items make a big difference and who are willing to wait out on a cold street don't sound like they are rolling in spare cash, nor do they sound like the kind of fat-arsed "drones" who can just about manage to walk, eat ice-cream and stare gormlessly at shop-windows as they drift around muzac-filled malls. They definitely aren't the shopping 'élite'...

In fact it is bizarre to connected long-queues with rich and spoilt consumers
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jiggajagga said:
Only in America. The land of the brave, free and fuck stupid!!; :(
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June 16, 1883: Over 180 out of 1,100 children died in the Victoria Hall disaster in Sunderland, England when they stampeded down the stairs to collect gifts from the entertainers after the end of a variety show.

November 11, 2007: 3 people were killed and more than 30 injured at the Supermarket Carrefour in Chongqing, China when the shop was offering 20% discounts on cooking oil.

etc
 
_float_ said:
The kind of people for whom the savings on sale items make a big difference and who are willing to wait out on a cold street don't sound like they are rolling in spare cash, nor do they sound like the kind of fat-arsed "drones" who can just about manage to walk, eat ice-cream and stare gormlessly at shop-windows as they drift around muzac-filled malls. They definitely aren't the shopping 'élite'...
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actually, queues while historically associated with scarcity, they are not so anymore. The lines of people waiting that you talk about are those worried that an essential item/foodstuff will be all gone by the time they get thier turn. Not about saving a few dollars, and participating in a brawl for bargains that left a man dead and others injured
 
Hubby's partner from work always books time off and goes down into the States for this. They have to be there 24 hours to bring stuff back, so they spend the day before the big event making sure they know where stuff is. He was soooo happy when he got a playstation for $75 - claims he knew where to look...only 100 of them. The day prior to leaving, he was seen around work trying to borrow cell-phones, so his little army could communicate while at different stores.

We think he is an idiot!!!!

Last night, we saw ads on the telly. The shops were opening at 4 am :eek:

...and now a death. I'm not sure to shake my head with sadness or disgust.

But, have no fears - this event will reoccur next year. It will just have a couple of new safety rules.
 
The even remote chance than someone will die in a stampede of peeps trying to get hold of the crap that walmart sell

Still, Woolies has yet to have its shelf clearing final day so who knows, but it does make you despair.......
 
DotCommunist said:
actually, queues while historically associated with scarcity, they are not so anymore. The lines of people waiting that you talk about are those worried that an essential item/foodstuff will be all gone by the time they get thier turn. Not about saving a few dollars, and participating in a brawl for bargains that left a man dead and others injured
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Anyone who is really well off is not going to queue for anything. Capital items can be the hardest thing to budget for if skint and while lack of clothes, cups or knick-knacks is not the same thing as food-less absolute poverty, they typically do figure in measures of 'relative poverty' or 'inequality' in rich countries.

As for 'brawling' - do you have any more details of this? Or was it an uncontrolled crowd where the unlucky people at the front suddenly tripped and got flattened by a surge/ripple that noone intended or forsaw?

Why are you blaming the victims and not the store owners who didn't provide the personnel, training, physical barriers and public information etc to control the crowd properly?

Why is this any less of an unfortunate accident than a crush at a football match, pop concert or on a crowded railway platform?
 
Any time I hear a story like this reminds me of Hillsborough. Fucking grim day that was. Lucky not to get killed meself or my old man.
 
Plastercast said:
Any time I hear a story like this reminds me of Hillsborough. Fucking grim day that was. Lucky not to get killed meself or my old man.
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Sorry to hear that - it isn't nice to live with shitty memories like that.

I've been lucky to have never been caught in a crush where someone has been killed, but I have felt the feeling of rising terror and panic when a crowd of people start getting stuck and crushed, and you start getting 'waves' pulsing through and there is really fuck all you can do except pray and shout for people to back off and stop pushing. Really nasty and not down to any one person's fault. Often by the time you realise there is a problem there is not much you can do to turn round and get out again.
 
This is terrible.
This morning, shoppers apparently broke down the doors of a Valley Stream Wal-Mart, and, in the process, trampled a Wal-Mart greeter to death around 5 a.m. The Nassau County police tell Newsday the store was a "mob scene" and that the worker was a temporary, part-time employee. One witness, Kimberly Cribbs of Far Rockaway, said that other Wal-Mart employees (some of whom were crying) asked shoppers to leave:
Though rumors circulated among the shoppers that someone had been badly injured, people ignored the Wal-Mart workers' requests that they stop shopping, move to the front of the store and exit, Cribbs said.​
"They kept shopping. It's not right. They're savages," Cribbs said.
She said she entered the store after the worker was already being attended to by emergency personnel. As people waited, then pushed into the store, she said, "It was chaos."A Wal-Mart employee, Jimmy Overby, told the Daily News, "He was bum-rushed by 200 people. They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too...I literally had to fight people off my back."
The Post reports that four other people--including a pregnant woman who was knocked to the floor--were taken to the hospital.
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