US to lift santions for Fatah

[ViolentPanda]

Thats right, no other actors here. The other members of the quartet, Iranian support of Hamas, the EU and US working in tandem.

Its all so simple boys and girls, thousands of years of fighting, tribal and religious conflict and it can all be summed up in one easy to understand statement:

Blame the United States.

All America all the time

Thanks for making yourself look stupid, mears.

I never said there were no other actors, did I?

Fool.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So you want the international community to not work with Fatah? Or does it not have anything to Fatah or Hamas or anything else in the region.

Again, don't put words in my mouth.
I want "the international community" to not play games, to just for once act with honesty rather than hypocrisy.

You just want to go on and on about the US. Remember no influunce for you until the UK signs up as the 51st state.

All America all the time.

Whatever you say, dicksplash, whatever you say.

Think on this though, You say "all America, all the time" when it isn't. What sort of deluded egocentric piece of shit does that make you?

 

[TomUS]

Anyway, like VP said, Fatah were fucking untouchable just a while back. Where did all the Abbas-gobblers come from ? Lol.

They appeared when Hamas dropped from the scene & became irrelevant.

The aid to Fatah is starting. Looks like aid to Gaza won't go through Hamas. Time for them to start praying eh? Oh, & to fire a few more rockets into Israel.

European Union governments will back Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas with direct financial aid while continuing an economic boycott of Hamas, the movement now in control of the Gaza Strip, the EU said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aEZIbLApT0gQ&refer=europe

 

[moono]

TomUS;

They appeared when Hamas dropped from the scene & became irrelevant.

I fancy you are going to regret saying that, Tom , old chap.

 

[Peet]

The new "Hamas free" gov in the WB is a good thing I think. The Hamas takeover of Gaza will backfire on them. Hamas can now be sidelined and left to stew in Gaza while international aid flows to Fatah in the WB. Fatah & Israel now have a chance to make some progress in negotiations, if Israel will cooperate.

That's roughly my assessment.
I wonder if that was the intent. This may just be what is needed to get more co-operation from Fatah. I think the three state solution as a temporary fix may work. Let the West Bank have its own autonomous territory with lifted sanctions and let the West Bank coax Gaza into union slowly.

 

[Peet]

The question is though, is how long will it be before Hamas start sounding "moderate" and then some sub faction will break off and assault them for "corruption" (ie making attempts at peace)

 

[ViolentPanda]

The question is though, is how long will it be before Hamas start sounding "moderate" and then some sub faction will break off and assault them for "corruption" (ie making attempts at peace)

Fatah's corruption is deep-seated, a fact you'll find in just about every friendly or hostile analysis of them conducted in the last 20 years, so attempting to conflate Fatah's corruption with attacks on them, and implying that such attacks are being made because they''re "moderate" or "peacemongers" is fanciful.

 

[Peet]

In a sense I agree. The pessimist in me says Fatah is not to be trusted and have a track record that speaks for itself.. However, these are different times with different players and the optimist in me hopes that the positive and pragmatic noises made by Fatah are more than just a ploy. This low grade civil war is a great opportunity and is another one of those moments where the Palestinians can make some positive steps towards improving their lot. I think the world must show the Palestinians that Hamas is certainly not a step forward.

Without a moderate (and sorry for the cliche) partner for peace, one must choose the lesser of two evils. While the corruption of Fatah is by no means excusable it is preferable to Hamas who WILL end up lining their own pockets as much as Fatah ever did.

We are forced to take this path because the alternative (choosing neither) only paves the way for radical rogue states (yes Iran) to tighten their grip on the middle east and eventually set upon the final destruction of Israel, if not by the sword then by other means.

This is wholly unacceptable.

If we are to judge nations on how they act in war then we are all as bad. IF we judge them on the treatment of their own and the rights they enshrine in law and how they interact with countries sharing those values then the choice is a no brainer.

Yes the West has exploited the middle east but no more than communism ever did. But the state of the middle east is still rooted in the problems of the tribal, patriarchal, misogynistic and primitive arab society in desperate need of modernization. Whatever the answer is, it certainly isn't Saudi style Islam.

 

[mears]

Again, don't put words in my mouth.
I want "the international community" to not play games, to just for once act with honesty rather than hypocrisy.

Whatever you say, dicksplash, whatever you say.

Think on this though, You say "all America, all the time" when it isn't. What sort of deluded egocentric piece of shit does that make you?

Not to bright poor boy. You want the international community to "not play games". Of course you never define what that means, beacuse you have no suggestions or alternative ideas.

Just 12 year old insults.

You obviously were not an officer.

 

[Detroit City]

Yes the West has exploited the middle east but no more than communism ever did. But the state of the middle east is still rooted in the problems of the tribal, patriarchal, misogynistic and primitive arab society in desperate need of modernization. Whatever the answer is, it certainly isn't Saudi style Islam.

dude...the islamic world is 600 years behind the christian world in terms of the evolutionary scale. What the hell were the chrisitians doing 600 years ago in the middle-ages? They were all fucked up just like the islamists are now.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not to bright poor boy.

Bright enough to be able to spell "too".

You want the international community to "not play games". Of course you never define what that means, beacuse you have no suggestions or alternative ideas.

You didn't ask for alternative ideas.

You always seem to leave that out so that you can use it as an accusation.

I wonder why?

Just 12 year old insults.

Do you think that because they're the kind of insults that local 12 yr olds shout at you all the time?

You obviously were not an officer.

No, I wasn't, as I've freely stated many times.
Not that you'd know the difference yourself, eh chickenhawk?

 

[Peet]

Pack it in kiddies, Keep it grown up. Or at least lets stay on topic.

 

[Peet]

dude...the islamic world is 600 years behind the christian world in terms of the evolutionary scale. What the hell were the chrisitians doing 600 years ago in the middle-ages? They were all fucked up just like the islamists are now.

Indeed. Henry VIII was Britains answer to the taliban.

Unsurprisingly the Arab world had regressed and degenerated long before the West started meddling.

 

[moono]

Check out this degenerate, Peet.

Adel Salameh , Master of the Oud

He farts more intellectually than you sing.

Now that your racist agenda is advancing, and you believe that your foundations are complete, you'll find that there won't be any reciprocal hatred for jews espoused from here. Rather, I think you'll find that there will be a consensus to lampoon the obvious and common enemy. You. I hope so, anyway.

 

[nino_savatte]

Not to bright poor boy. You want the international community to "not play games". Of course you never define what that means, beacuse you have no suggestions or alternative ideas.

Just 12 year old insults.

You obviously were not an officer.

Tut. tut, mears, anyone who is unfamiliar with you would think that you were both mature and intelligent. But that's just a front: you're neither of those things.

 

[mears]

Hamas is running out of friends. The Egyptians are moving their Ambassador to the West Bank from Gaza.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L19848714.htm

Iran better be prepared to pony up some major cash for the boys in Gaza.