US soldier admits rape of 14 year old girl.

[Dandred]

Well I thought this would just end up as another whitewash by the US and they would sweep the case under the carpet, but one of the soliders involved has addmited what actaully happened. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5253160.stm


Will the accused actualy get what they deserve? I hope so.

Will the Iraqi goverment try and get the US out faster now, and how will this go down with the US's hearts and minds approach in relation to the Iraqi people?

 

[DarthSydodyas]

They should be sent back into Iraq, with no body armour.

 

[aylee]

The US hasn't got a "hearts and minds" approach as far as the Iraqis are concerned. Their military is incapable of such an approach, because they are too highly trained for combat and too stupid to take any different approach.

This is just another sad episode of brutality towards Iraqi civilians by the occupying forces, and any attempts to punish these animals for what they did will no doubt give rise to howls of protest from NeoCons and the military top brass about how much pressure they are under.

 

[TAE]

 

[likesfish]

doubt that most spams want to see the fuckers hang
though I'd like to see there company commander and CO in the dock as well.
leaving an obviously disturbed soldier on duty.
throwing puppys from rooftops and the setting fire to the dog is not normal behaviour heavy drinking and drug taking when on duty keeping a unit in a dangerous outpost without even hot food for 3weeks at atime and isolated
so you have a nutter plus loads of stress plus drink and drugs and access to weapons = very bad things

 

[Dandred]

I think these soilders should be tried in Iraq by Iraqies, at least then the families might feel like they get some justice, well the family members the raping troops didn't kill.

I imagine that this will only end up with a few years locked up for each soilder involved....

They should hang in Iraq.

 

[nino_savatte]

I think these soilders should be tried in Iraq by Iraqies, at least then the families might feel like they get some justice, well the family members the raping troops didn't kill.

I imagine that this will only end up with a few years locked up for each soilder involved....

They should hang in Iraq.

Aye, they should be tried in Iraq by the Iraqis. They'll be treated as heroes at Fort Leavenworth.

 

[Groucho]

Sickening. Absolutely sickening.

 

[Dandred]

Mears, JC2, Pbman, ect, where are you?

Is this thread too much for you?

I really thought that some of the people who come to U75 would like to debate this.........where are they?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What debate?

Do you expect me or anyone to defend these psychos?

 

[teqniq]

Interestingly 'The Independent' has this in a related article:

Last night a US military court was deciding whether four soldiers should be court-martialled for the rape and murder of an Iraqi girl and her family in Mahmoudiya, a village south of Baghdad, in March. It heard how troops were " driven nuts" by combat stress.

Pte Justin Cross described how conditions "pretty much crushed the platoon", which lived in constant fear of being killed.

He said: "It drives you nuts. You feel like every step you might get blown up. You just hit a point where you're like, 'If I die today, I die.' You're just walking a death walk."

Yesterday, Pte Cross testified that soldiers often drank Iraqi whiskey and took painkillers to relieve the stress of not knowing whether the day would be their last. He said that the unit was "full of despair", and he himself felt he would die at a checkpoint before he could go home.

"I couldn't sleep, mainly for fear we would be attacked," Pte Cross said. He said that the loss of two soldiers shot at a checkpoint " pretty much crushed the platoon".

Pte Cross testified that Specialist James Barker, who obtained the Iraqi whiskey, drank the most. He said he knew Pte Steven Green was also taking painkillers even though he never saw him. "Everybody was very depressed. It was [an] outlet to release," Pte Cross said.

The hearing continues.

shades of Vietnam anyone?

source

 

[scott_forester]

Aye, they should be tried in Iraq by the Iraqis. They'll be treated as heroes at Fort Leavenworth.

You really think anyone is going to treat a child rapist like a hero Most likely they'll get some 100 year sentence. First time I've seen anyone suggest a US Prison is a nice place to be.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You really think anyone is going to treat a child rapist like a hero Most likely they'll get some 100 year sentence. First time I've seen anyone suggest a US Prison is a nice place to be.

Especially a place like Leavenworth.

 

[Dandred]

What debate?

Do you expect me or anyone to defend these psychos?

I wouldn't have been surprised if you did...

 

[nino_savatte]

You really think anyone is going to treat a child rapist like a hero Most likely they'll get some 100 year sentence. First time I've seen anyone suggest a US Prison is a nice place to be.

You seem to forget (deliberately) that there are people in the US who regard the Iraqis (and indeed any Arab) as subhuman. You also forget how these people were dehumanised by their attackers and how this proces of dehumanisation is part and parcel of modern warfare. In fact, in the run up to the invasion, the Iraqis were routinely being dehumanised by the US media. When I last went to the states I was appalled by the number of slogans which expressed similar sentiments. One slogan I recall seeing said "Turn the desert red", which indicated a great deal of ignorance of the geography of Iraq.

Thanks for reading into my post something that wasn't there. Thanks for not comprehending the nature of dehumanisation and its wider effects. Thanks for being deliberately and wilfully ignorant. Go and join Johnny Canuck and the back of the class.

 

[iROBOT]

According to the testimony, Mr Green then also raped the girl and shot her dead.

Her body was doused in kerosene and set alight.

The first day of the hearing on Sunday saw an Iraqi army medic describe how he found the bodies of the four Iraqis.

He told prosecutors he was ill for weeks after witnessing the crime scene.

With countless appologists like mears in the states is it that surprising that some Septic's in uniform will see anyone from the middle east as sub-human and therefore fair game for such disgusting behavior.

 

[Streathamite]

What debate?

Do you expect me or anyone to defend these psychos?

why not? you've defended worse.

 

[scott_forester]

You seem to forget (deliberately) that there are people in the US who regard the Iraqis (and indeed any Arab) as subhuman. You also forget how these people were dehumanised by their attackers and how this proces of dehumanisation is part and parcel of modern warfare. In fact, in the run up to the invasion, the Iraqis were routinely being dehumanised by the US media. When I last went to the states I was appalled by the number of slogans which expressed similar sentiments. One slogan I recall seeing said "Turn the desert red", which indicated a great deal of ignorance of the geography of Iraq.

Thanks for reading into my post something that wasn't there. Thanks for not comprehending the nature of dehumanisation and its wider effects. Thanks for being deliberately and wilfully ignorant. Go and join Johnny Canuck and the back of the class.

So are you saying they are all going to get off and treated like heros? It's pretty obvious these animals are almost going to get what they deserve.

 

[Dandred]

I bet that they will use stress as a defence and get a few years each.......


Like I said before, they should be tried in Iraq by the Iraqis, and then hang.....

 

[nino_savatte]

So are you saying they are all going to get off and treated like heros? It's pretty obvious these animals are almost going to get what they deserve.

Use your brain for a change. Have you ever heard of William Calley? I'll bet you haven't.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

What debate?

Do you expect me or anyone to defend these psychos?

well i wouldn't expect you to break form or the habit of a lfie time...

 

[likesfish]

a us military forum I post on mostly wants these animals hung
not a lot of sympathy

 

[nino_savatte]

a us military forum I post on mostly wants these animals hung
not a lot of sympathy

Well, while that may be the case, there are a few who would hold different views. To dismiss those concerns is to deny the possibility of their existence...as scott has done.

 

[scott_forester]

Well, while that may be the case, there are a few who would hold different views. To dismiss those concerns is to deny the possibility of their existence...as scott has done.

I was dismissing your statement:

They'll be treated as heroes at Fort Leavenworth.

My contention being that no-one would treat a child rapist like a hero. All the other rubbish you suggest I said you came up all by yourself.

 

[Streathamite]

I was dismissing your statement:



My contention being that no-one would treat a child rapist like a hero. All the other rubbish you suggest I said you came up all by yourself.

ermm...why are you so seemingly certain that we won't get a re-run of My Lai? Many in the Us military were utterly horrified and outraged by that atrocity - but the perpetrators still got away virtually scott-free.

 

[nino_savatte]

I was dismissing your statement:



My contention being that no-one would treat a child rapist like a hero. All the other rubbish you suggest I said you came up all by yourself.

You seem a little too quick to dismiss what I'm saying. I shall ask you again: have you ever heard of William Calley? I will ask you another question: do you ever go to US right wing bulletin boards?

My contention is that there are some who would see child rape and the murders of other members pof the victim's family as 'just'. You have obviously chosen to ignore the fact that many Americans believed that Iraq was directly involved in "9/11" and how this sentiment would affect their actions in the field.

Over to you, friend.

 

[teqniq]

Whilst the actions of the soldiers is completley inexcusable, this article lays some of the blame at the feet of the current U.S. administration....

 

[nino_savatte]

Whilst the actions of the soldiers is completley inexcusable, this article lays some of the blame at the feet of the current U.S. administration....

Well the Leadership have also been playing the game of dehumanising the Iraqis, so I suppose it's no wonder that they are also partly to blame.

 

[scott_forester]

You seem a little too quick to dismiss what I'm saying. I shall ask you again: have you ever heard of William Calley?

Nope, just Googled him and he appears to be a mass murdering scumbag.

I will ask you another question: do you ever go to US right wing bulletin boards?

Nope again. I've no real interest in right wing loons.

My contention is that there are some who would see child rape and the murders of other members of the victim's family as 'just'.

Maybe, but it's unlikely (hopefully) to be a judge and jury of a man who has admitted to raping a 14 year old girl then killing all of her family. And I doubt it's a majority view in the US that child rape in war is okay.

You have obviously chosen to ignore the fact that many Americans believed that Iraq was directly involved in "9/11" and how this sentiment would affect their actions in the field.
Over to you, friend.

I'm not ignoring anything, but I very much doubt that vast majority of the US military think that child rape and then killing her family was ok.

 

[scott_forester]

ermm...why are you so seemingly certain that we won't get a re-run of My Lai? Many in the Us military were utterly horrified and outraged by that atrocity - but the perpetrators still got away virtually scott-free.

Wishful thinking maybe?