US Military kicks Londoners in teeth

[GarfieldLeChat]

He has a right to say what he believes, I just wish it was on a new thread. This isn't a thread about nationalism, it's about betrayal by our supposed allies. It's such a stupid asessment of risk and probablities too. The Americans come out really badly over this on so many levels.

i'm not sure they are our allies are they?

allies don't carry on regardless of the others (with us or against us) allies don't take with out giving, allies share information, intelligence, responsiblity and ultimatley the spoils of the conflict... the usa has done none of this, perhaps the uk's mistake vai bliar was to beleive and to be sucker punched into thinking he was ever relevant or important to the us in anythign other than terms of the city financing the us mega corps...

The usa is not our ally, they may have shared language, to an extent culture we may be able on most things to discuss and engauge on many levels but that dones't make us allies...

there is no symbiotic releationship between the two countries. It would be fairer to say that britain toadies up to the usa's school bully than to say they were allies... if europe fell tomorrow and became and muslim superstate then britian would turn round and say fuck you to the usa we're muslims now too..

if the usa's ecomomy fell tomorrow then we'd have no problem in picking over the bones and stripping the corpse clean ...

that is not the action of allies....

that is the action of ferreal animals banding together from fear...

so is it any wonder they won't come into london....

 

[mauvais]

The BBC ticker says the ban's been binned. Good.

 

[MikeMcc]

One thing the stories forgot to mention was that the ban was imposed on Thursday. It seems that a minor precaution seems to have been blown out of proportion (no shocks there then, don't you just love the media?)

 

[TeeJay]

Get a fucking grip.

Heh. That's what people say to you when someone says "politically correct, mono-thought, Guardian-reading liberals". You usually go ballistic.

I see now on the news that the advice was given by a local commander last week to personnel on one USAF base just after the bombings and was similar to the Met's advice on Thurs/Fri about avoiding central London if possible (albeit a wider area). I still can't see why it is a "betrayal" of any kind.

 

[TeeJay]

Fair enough -- sorry TeeJay. I just get riled when ALL criticism of particular aspects of America/American foreign policy on this forum gets written off as bigotry and Yank bashing -- sure there is some, but not all of it is as 'sickening' as you seem to be assuming ... some of it is more nuanced and more justified.

So when I say "Some of the shite on this thread is turning my stomache" you think my keyboard slipped and I meant to type "all"?

 

[TeeJay]

i'm not sure they are our allies are they?

Would you like to give us an example of two other countries whose military work together as allies?

 

[J77]

The BBC ticker says the ban's been binned. Good.

yeah - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4673987.stm

 

[HarrisonSlade]

Why would US servicemen want to be in London anyway? unless they were on there hols. I hope to God that people on here don't want a foreign power to help defend a Country they have no business with. The Central powers of Europe and the US must remember that British people are big enough to look after themselves, and we must remember that a warning from the US military to it's own troops to stay away from a place because of possible dangers is of no concern to anybody but the US military.

 

[TeeJay]

Why would US servicemen want to be in London anyway? unless they were on there hols.

Iirc there is a USAF base with 10,000 out in Suffolk amongst others. Presumably they would go to London for the same reasons as anyone else living in Suffolk would.

I hope to God that people on here don't want a foreign power to help defend a Country they have no business with. The Central powers of Europe and the US must remember that British people are big enough to look after themselves, and we must remember that a warning from the US military to it's own troops to stay away from a place because of possible dangers is of no concern to anybody but the US military.

The US bases originally date back to WW2 and then the cold war. The UK still have a lot of troops based in Germany for the same reasons. You are deluding yourself if you think that the UK or other european countries could have "looked after" themselves if Soviet tanks had started rolling. The logic of having US forces permanently based in the UK as part of NATO is maybe less clear now than it was during 1945 - 1990 but the general idea is that all NATO countries are committed to mutual defense if attacked, and therefore USAF bases in the UK, giving them an operational range right across Europe and beyond makes complete sense in military terms.

 

[HarrisonSlade]

Iirc there is a USAF base with 10,000 out in Suffolk amongst others. Presumably they would go to London for the same reasons as anyone else living in Suffolk would.
The US bases originally date back to WW2 and then the cold war. The UK still have a lot of troops based in Germany for the same reasons. You are deluding yourself if you think that the UK or other european countries could have "looked after" themselves if Soviet tanks had started rolling. The logic of having US forces permanently based in the UK as part of NATO is maybe less clear now than it was during 1945 - 1990 but the general idea is that all NATO countries are committed to mutual defense if attacked, and therefore USAF bases in the UK, giving them an operational range right across Europe and beyond makes complete sense in military terms.

And you can take your fucking "if it wasn't us the world would be run by Russia" and your Marshall Plan and stick them up your fucking arse.

 

[extra dry]

If it came from that far afield (perhaps more unlikley as the number of borders it would have to cross, but you never know) it could have easily been from one the weapons dumps that were raided in Iraq. Wasn't it something silly like 14 tonnes that went missing?

russia, the former states of russia, anywhere in the middle east, all places are market areas for explosives, guns, etc.

Or it could have come from europe, poland, czech, italy etc, many arms dealers, mafia, etc.

The explosive used in the madrid bombing, was so powerfull, a fag packet sized block under 1 kg, could destroy a structure like victoria bus station. So it is very easy to conseal and deadly.

there should be news on what it was, and maybe where it came from in the next few weeks, I guess.

 

[Wookey]

Are we aware yet that the US has just lifted the ban on services going into London.

Apparently, a quick phone call from the Minister for Defence can work wonders.

 

[TeeJay]

Are we aware yet that the US has just lifted the ban on services going into London.

Posted at 11:55 AM

The BBC ticker says the ban's been binned. Good.

 

[Jazzz]

Who gives a fuck?

Why don't the US military ban themselves from the whole of the UK? No skin off our noses.

I can't help thinking that the outraged here have fallen for a psyop 'finesse'...

 

[TeeJay]

And you can take your fucking "if it wasn't us the world would be run by Russia" and your Marshall Plan and stick them up your fucking arse.

Stick them up my arse? What a pathetic argument - if I can even call it an argument. You do realise that I am a British Citizen (as well as a US citizen) so I don't know where you get all this "us" and "them" shite from, or why you start banging on with a natonalistic argument in the first place. If you have a good argument for why the UK should pull out of NATO then please tell everyone. Somehow I doubt you do.

 

[TeeJay]

Why don't the US military ban themselves from the whole of the UK? No skin off our noses.

Maybe you'd like to help HarrisonSlade out with their argument for the UK leaving NATO?

 

[pk]

I can't help thinking that the outraged here have fallen for a psyop 'finesse'...

Yeah, whereas you, of course, know different.

Because you read Jeff Rense and David Icke.

 

[Streathamite]

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The US bases originally date back to WW2 and then the cold war. The UK still have a lot of troops based in Germany for the same reasons. You are deluding yourself if you think that the UK or other european countries could have "looked after" themselves if Soviet tanks had started rolling.

teeJay, no disrepect mate, but do get the history right, or simply read more of it. There was ALWAYS a huge gap between stalinist rhetoric and reality; they never once - not once - seriously entertained the possibility of conquering Western Europe. The creation of the Warsaw pact was simply to preserve parity with the USA, and - more germanely - to ensure a huge defensive buffer zone with the Germany that had roundly defeated them in WW1 and cost them 20 million lives in WW2.
and don't you think - on a tangent here - there's something just a little disingenuous in a nation-state which makes such a very big, public parade of being 'always on our side', yet immediately takes the course of action outlined in thisd thread when the bombs start exploding.
forgive my naivete, but I always assumed military service involved at least a degree of danger?

 

[camouflage]

Another person thinks he can speak for millions of people.

Are you familiar with the term "Not in my name" ?

Yes I absolutely fucking am, when was the last time that meant fuck-all to an invading army.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

The US Military has ordered its Servicemen and women not to enter London or anywhere within the M25 because of the bombings. Thanks for the support When I heard this on the radio this morning, half-asleep, I sat bold upright in bed awoken sharply with sheer fury.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13385130,00.html

 

[camouflage]

Fair enough, but you could have started a new thread with that....did you actually mention the topic on this thread once?

I actually meant to, posting in this thread was accidental.

 

[rocketman]

Hmm.
So the US Army bans its troops from going to London as a result of something bad happening here, and then, in a cowardly follow-up, changes its mind when the dust has settled a bit and public opinion turns against them.
I'd much rather find my closest allies in Europe.
I've decided never to go to the US again.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Twats.