US May Shoot Down N. Korea Missile

[phildwyer]

The powers of the president are great and exceed those of most European monarchs. While there isn't the idea of divine right, the president is to be respected in such a way that we would find loathsome: the hero worship etc.

Now you really are making an idiot of yourself. Was Clinton being "hero-worshipped" when they impeached him? Was Nixon? You obviously know nothing of the USA. You didn't even know that both FDR and JFK suffered from serious disabilities! You are, in short, an ignoramus who should learn to be quiet and listen.

 

[nino_savatte]

Now you really are making an idiot of yourself. Was Clinton being "hero-worshipped" when they impeached him? Was Nixon? You obviously know nothing of the USA. You didn't even know that both FDR and JFK suffered from serious disabilities! You are, in short, an ignoramus who should learn to be quiet and listen.

Ah, my favourite stalker strikes again. You're making a tit of yourself again, phil. Presidents are hero-worshipped by their supporters. They also command respect from neutrals. The president is often seen as existing on a different plane to ordinary folk in a way that isn't seen here in Europe. I don't suppose any of that ever occured to you...nor did the fact that the media was less intrusive then than it is now.

In short, you are a puffed up pseud with shite for brains.

 

[Azrael23]

Oh how exciting.

N. Koreas non-existant missile threat facing off against the US`s non-existant missile defense system. Oooh everybody panic...

Of course the US defense system is not non-existant in terms of its funding...couple of trillion...for what exactly?

 

[zoltan]

Oh how exciting.

N. Koreas non-existant missile threat facing off against the US`s non-existant missile defense system. Oooh everybody panic...

Of course the US defense system is not non-existant in terms of its funding...couple of trillion...for what exactly?

You must be really worried, Ive seen what youve been buying on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4645458163&category=35625

 

[mears]

hello mears, MEARS???!!!!
we already had those 'principles', firmly enshrined in european society, they were a 100% european creation which the seps cannily adopted and adopted. They were based on books and pamphlets written by europeans, just as the Us constitution is based on european documents.
jesus, this degree of ignorance is painful.

Europe didn't buy into democratic ideals until after 1945, after the continent waged a war of extermination amongst themselves.

But Europe did finally buy into it. Eastern Europe was held back but they have now bought into it as well.

It just took you all a little longer to catch on.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

been to both countries as it happens

You've had quite the travel itinerary: Albania, North Korea...

 

[zoltan]

You've had quite the travel itinerary: Albania, North Korea...

have also lurked around transnistria and belarus recently - am tryting to get to syria this autumn to get the complete set of axis of evils

 

[kyser_soze]

The president is often seen as existing on a different plane to ordinary folk in a way that isn't seen here in Europe.

You wanna go live in France mate - the French Prez has much more power than the US prez, and is seen as the 'embodiment of the Republic'. The French prez is immune from press investigation and prosecution in the courts (which is how Chirac has managed to avoid being arrested for fraud, gerrymandering, embezzlement, running a slush fund etc.). And don't forget - it's not the person it's the OFFICE that commands the respect of non-supporters - and far from being 'distasteful', most European Heads of State are liked by their populations; are you really trying to tell me that US Presidents command the kind of popular love and support of the people as the British Royal Family?

 

[nino_savatte]

You wanna go live in France mate - the French Prez has much more power than the US prez, and is seen as the 'embodiment of the Republic'. The French prez is immune from press investigation and prosecution in the courts (which is how Chirac has managed to avoid being arrested for fraud, gerrymandering, embezzlement, running a slush fund etc.). And don't forget - it's not the person it's the OFFICE that commands the respect of non-supporters - and far from being 'distasteful', most European Heads of State are liked by their populations; are you really trying to tell me that US Presidents command the kind of popular love and support of the people as the British Royal Family?

Aye, I am aware how powerful the French president is. He is more powerful than any political leader in Europe.

The US originally wanted to be ruled by a king but changed their minds and came up with something that resembled monarchy in part but had an element of balance built into the system. But my point about physical perfection stands. If the press had known about FDR and JFK, neither of them would have been elected.

In the run up to the Iraq invasion, I heard many of my former fellow classmates say things like "the president knows what he's doing" and "If the president decides to go to war will you back him...I know I will". It's that sort of unquestioning attitude that people have towards political leaders in the states that is signally lacking here.

I never once heard anyone say "Blair knows what he's doing and I support him".

 

[nino_savatte]

Europe didn't buy into democratic ideals until after 1945, after the continent waged a war of extermination amongst themselves.

But Europe did finally buy into it. Eastern Europe was held back but they have now bought into it as well.

It just took you all a little longer to catch on.

Rubbish. The US didn't guarantee the right to vote to all of its citizens until the 1960's. I presume you've heard of Jim Crow?

 

[kyser_soze]

But my point about physical perfection stands. If the press had known about FDR and JFK, neither of them would have been elected.

JFK would never have been elected were it not for his old man buying it for him But yeah, you're right about the Prez being expected to be in outstanding health.

Again tho - there's a segment of the population here that while not quite unquestioning about it (and you have to remember, the media situation in the UK is somewhat different, and there is a very different attitude to the TWOT here) still basically go along with a 'PM knows best' approach.

So while I agree with you on general contradict Dyer sentiment, the powers of the US Prez are very much related to the power of Congress and it's political makeup and the composition of the Supreme Court...at least that's how it used to work. Since BUsh and his band of legal geeks got in and started to re-write the interpretation of the Constitution anyway...

 

[zoltan]

Dont mean to stir it, but the press were well aware of FDRs disability & took great pains to ensure it do not become an issue, esecially with regard to Pix etc.

 

[nino_savatte]

JFK would never have been elected were it not for his old man buying it for him But yeah, you're right about the Prez being expected to be in outstanding health.

Again tho - there's a segment of the population here that while not quite unquestioning about it (and you have to remember, the media situation in the UK is somewhat different, and there is a very different attitude to the TWOT here) still basically go along with a 'PM knows best' approach.

So while I agree with you on general contradict Dyer sentiment, the powers of the US Prez are very much related to the power of Congress and it's political makeup and the composition of the Supreme Court...at least that's how it used to work. Since BUsh and his band of legal geeks got in and started to re-write the interpretation of the Constitution anyway...

Bush's has the support of a compliant congress, which is something that no other president has enjoyed. he can practically ride roughshod over the lot of them...if he wanted but they're all four square behind him. Should there be any dissent from the so-called opposition, they're immediately shouted down and labelled "traitors".


I suppose having a compliant media also helps Bush. The US media is more pusillanimous than any I've seen in the western world.

 

[nino_savatte]

Dont mean to stir it, but the press were well aware of FDRs disability & took great pains to ensure it do not become an issue, esecially with regard to Pix etc.

In other words, they came to an "arrangement". Though FDR never stated the true extent of his illness.

 

[phildwyer]

The US originally wanted to be ruled by a king but changed their minds and came up with something that resembled monarchy in part but had an element of balance built into the system.

Absolute ignorant rubbish. You are simply talking out of your hat. Please provide evidence that "the US originally wanted to be ruled by a king." You won't, because you can't, because you're just chattering your nonsensical assertions again.

 

[kyser_soze]

Wellll...they were happy enough with being ruled BY a King until George III (stupidly) started to impose loads and loads of taxes. Then they got all uppity.

What pissed the colonialists off is all there in the constitution - from taxes, to rule by government from afar and states' rights, to the right to bear arms.

I'm trying to act as peacemaker here, but you are kinda driving yourself into a bit of a hole with a lot of what you're saying Nino.

 

[nino_savatte]

Absolute ignorant rubbish. You are simply talking out of your hat. Please provide evidence that "the US originally wanted to be ruled by a king." You won't, because you can't, because you're just chattering your nonsensical assertions again.

I see you can't help yourself: any excuse to bully others and you take it. You're too predictable, phil.

It happens to be true: there were discussions about whether to create some system of royal governance. It would appear, that for all your years of living in the US, that you haven't got a fucking clue about the history of the land that you claim to live in.

I don't believe you live in the States at all.In fact, I don't even think you're real person, you're a malicious software program designed and maintained by FreakRepublic.

 

[nino_savatte]

Wellll...they were happy enough with being ruled BY a King until George III (stupidly) started to impose loads and loads of taxes. Then they got all uppity.

What pissed the colonialists off is all there in the constitution - from taxes, to rule by government from afar and states' rights, to the right to bear arms.

I'm trying to act as peacemaker here, but you are kinda driving yourself into a bit of a hole with a lot of what you're saying Nino.

How am I driving myself into a hole? This is what I read and what I learned at school. It is phil who is talking shite for the sake of it. He's got some weird fucking obsession with me, the cunt.

 

[phildwyer]

How am I driving myself into a hole? This is what I read and what I learned at school.

Then you ought to start reading some new books. You have made several very odd statements about the US system of government. You said: that the President had "monarchical" powers, that he had to be "physically perfect," that he was "hero-worshipped," and that the US originally wanted to be ruled by a king. All of these statements are well-known to be false. So people will conclude that you are either an ignoramus or serving some agenda. Which is it, Nino?

 

[nino_savatte]

Then you ought to start reading some new books. You have made several very odd statements about the US system of government. You said: that the President had "monarchical" powers, that he had to be "physically perfect," that he was "hero-worshipped," and that the US originally wanted to be ruled by a king. All of these statements are well-known to be false. So people will conclude that you are either an ignoramus or serving some agenda. Which is it, Nino?

When are you going to grow up, phil? You're a cheap stalker and a bully.

As I said before, for someone who claims to have lived in the States for so long, you display a remarkable ignorance of the country's history.

If you want to continue this pathetic attempt to prove yourself my intellectual superior then be prepared for a real [cyber] kicking.

 

[nino_savatte]

I take it you've heard of Alexander Hamilton, phil? I'll leave it there for now. You'll only misrepresent my posts for the sake of your bloated ego.