spring-peeper
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rogue yam said:
I wasn't asking about me, I was asking about you.
Do you believe what you posted?
US Marines Massscred Iraqi Civilians.
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I wasn't asking about me, I was asking about you.
Do you believe what you posted?
rogue yam said:
True
True again. Cause as fucked up as the world is we americans seem to be extra-involved with the middle east.
The subject of your post was the price of oil, not energy conversion.
Anyhow ... would you be able to tell me where in the states you're from? Genuinely curious.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
kage said:
they don't like it up'em them freepers.Spineless cock innit
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
god this is painful...it kinda depends who's writing the list, really, doesn't it?rogue yam said:
1/10
so what? 1 out of 10000 patents make serious cash, directly or indirectly - if that.
and no-one's ever thought of copying them or bastardising them, have they?
Not true. Here's the money quote: "Oil is far, far cheaper than any other alternative resource." Prices are always relative, Bob. We must have energy. We get it as cheaply as we know how. The Hippiewoman was repeating the stale old leftie paen to "alternative resources" and I quite sensibly pointed out that the laws of physics and the principles of economics thus far have determined oil's primacy in the energy field. The scientists and engineers continue to explore alternatives including wind, solar, bio-fuels, etc. This is important work and the United States is the world leader as usual. But so far the scientists, working within the limits imposed by the laws of physics, have yet to develop resources that can compete with oil today in the marketplace. Thus it is both: physics and economics, just as I said. Do you understand now?angry bob said:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rogue yam said:
Whereas you assume everyone is as corrupt as you.
Fortunately, few people sink to the depths of lying, insult-hurling depravity that you regularly inhabit in your attempts to excuse the actions of your political masters.
rogue yam said:
Well, corruption and american politicians and senators go very well together don't they eh. They fit together with delicate aplomb.
Business: the pimps
Politicians: the whores
Apologists for the politicians: the voyeurs and wannabe whores.
I know all about your system rogue, and it stinks of money and corruption. It's the bottom line in your country innit, money. It's a twisted sick life and you're welcome to it. Funny those corruption league tables, y'know, the ones that always put nigeria and indonesia at the top. They've nothing on your country when it comes to the stench of underhand money. Your whole political system reeks of it.
No-one in the world is as corrupt as american businessmen and american politicians. Perfect bedfellows
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Binkie said:
You forgot to add "and death to 'the man' " to that. Rogue Yam will think you've cut off your flowing hippy locks!
I am gone for a few days and look at how fast the sillyness starts.
First off i doubt that this situation even closely resembles how it has been reported, But since it reinforces some folks political beliefs then it is accepted at face value.
Second, I dont feel that some civilian casualtys are rare or unusual.
human nature is to Kill the enemy
We Must Kill the enemy, THAT is the solution and the true path to victory in the current U.S. / Muslim war.
All the knit picking and rabbid opposition disqualifys those that complain
The complainers are obviously enemys.
All the Hippie Anti war protesters are dependant on the War NOT widening
If or "when" the war Really gets Rolling the seperation of the goats from the Rams will begin in ernest,
Then this will become a Real issue to concern yourself with.
Now it is All volentary.
If you truly hated this war then you wouldnt be talking about it so much
it would be something to avoid.
The War can easily be avoided
It is easy to avoid the war in Iraq just stop talking about it and turn your attention to other things.
But that is not what most here allow themselves to do, is it....
I am as guilty as anyone of being facinated by the Current War
that is what fuels the desire to debate the whole thing.
Personally I dont Blame anyone for anything. I dont believe the reports in the first place.
Mi lie was the same sort of thing
What made Mi lie bad was the point of view from which it was looked at and a bunch of Wayyy bad reporting.
Sounds familure doesnt it.
This has not gotten any traction in the news here in the Good Ol U.S. of A.
Nor should it.
First off i doubt that this situation even closely resembles how it has been reported, But since it reinforces some folks political beliefs then it is accepted at face value.
Second, I dont feel that some civilian casualtys are rare or unusual.
human nature is to Kill the enemy
We Must Kill the enemy, THAT is the solution and the true path to victory in the current U.S. / Muslim war.
All the knit picking and rabbid opposition disqualifys those that complain
The complainers are obviously enemys.
All the Hippie Anti war protesters are dependant on the War NOT widening
If or "when" the war Really gets Rolling the seperation of the goats from the Rams will begin in ernest,
Then this will become a Real issue to concern yourself with.
Now it is All volentary.
If you truly hated this war then you wouldnt be talking about it so much
it would be something to avoid.
The War can easily be avoided
It is easy to avoid the war in Iraq just stop talking about it and turn your attention to other things.
But that is not what most here allow themselves to do, is it....
I am as guilty as anyone of being facinated by the Current War
that is what fuels the desire to debate the whole thing.
Personally I dont Blame anyone for anything. I dont believe the reports in the first place.
Mi lie was the same sort of thing
What made Mi lie bad was the point of view from which it was looked at and a bunch of Wayyy bad reporting.
Sounds familure doesnt it.
This has not gotten any traction in the news here in the Good Ol U.S. of A.
Nor should it.
rentonite, you're not a misunderstood american at all. In amongst the reasonable ones there are many like you.
You are a self-deluded tosser who just pops up in places to interfere negatively with people's consciousness. And you're more than welcome to the self-deception you impose on yourself, it's you who has to deal with it 24 hours a day.
The interesting thing about the US is that roughly equal amounts of citizens escape the clutches of 18 years of exposure to flags and propaganda as do those that succumb to them.
You are the latter, but i only really have sympathy for you. Maybe you'll wake up one day, if you're lucky.
You are a self-deluded tosser who just pops up in places to interfere negatively with people's consciousness. And you're more than welcome to the self-deception you impose on yourself, it's you who has to deal with it 24 hours a day.
The interesting thing about the US is that roughly equal amounts of citizens escape the clutches of 18 years of exposure to flags and propaganda as do those that succumb to them.
You are the latter, but i only really have sympathy for you. Maybe you'll wake up one day, if you're lucky.
it's true that the information should not be accepted at face value - but nor should it be dismissed just because u don't like it.Rentonite said:
they're not. doesn't mean its right. do you condone the execution of civilians who may have housed enemy combatants?Rentonite said:
so therefore, the enemy = muslim, the US kill must kill muslims "the enemy"? i am following your clear and balanced logic. how many of the muslim/enemy do the US need to kill before they will have won the "US/Muslim war" as you put it? a few more thousand? all of the muslims in the world?Rentonite said:
Question for moderators - not that i agree with it - but would the current religious hatred legislation mean rentonite should be penalised for these comments?
so those who complain about the killing of muslim civilians should also be killed? should we be killed also because we dare to challenge your great and dear leaders?Rentonite said:
i don't think even you know what you're banging on about here.Rentonite said:
so if you really hated something that concerned you very deeply you would just ignore it would you? somehow i think you might feel inclined to complain if me and my mates invaded your street, started rounding people up and shooting them...Rentonite said:
that's because you're not prepared to believe that "your boys" might be capable of something like this. they should be innocent until proven guilty, but you are so blinkered you won't even accept that such an eventuality is possible.Rentonite said:
that's because, like you, there are many powerful americans who are not prepared to accept that they may be culpable of wrong-doing and don't believe other americans should be allowed to make those choices for themselves. ignore all that upsets you, only believe what you are told by those you like.Rentonite said:
i'll give you one chance to say something sensible, otherwise i won't bother talking to you again.
Backatcha Bandit
is not taking your calls
That is one more than is strictly neccessary.Ing_soc said:
1. I have strong reasons to have no doubt that this happened (and that is at this point in the story a very strong statement to make for a historian).
2. This is not the first case nor shall it be the last.
3. Nothing of that type of war crimes makes the news in the USA (let alone that all the others make the news if some soldiers don't spread it on the internet because they are so proud of it) and not even much of it gets published in Europe" (yet now and then they air some documentaries made by independent journalists. Being "not embedded" with the US censorship means they risk their lives to birng you the truth. I recommend that they are given a statue.)
4. If you mention this on a US message board - that calls itself "international" - being yourself Middle Eastern, you get hunted down by a posse and it ends in you getting banned. (There is a reason for this. Not all that many US'er's frequenting such boards can live with the truth about their Holy Nation and even those who do can't let go the strong feeling that you must worship the US Heros. Telling that they are murderers is "not done" even if they murdered your very own loved ones. These loved ones are called "crushed egg shells " and also "worth it" etc.. by the Loving US'ers.)
5. All those who vehemently deny that such things happen can come and say that in my face and see how they get away with it. They should be shock- and bullet proof since I shall drop them into Iraq, to where it happened. See how they get away there too with their denials to those who survived, yet who can show the graves of those who didn't.
6. Yes, reading once again such stupid, arrogant denials by ignorant brainwashed flag waving US'ers makes my blood boil. Just a little. With more then much reason.
salaam.
2. This is not the first case nor shall it be the last.
3. Nothing of that type of war crimes makes the news in the USA (let alone that all the others make the news if some soldiers don't spread it on the internet because they are so proud of it) and not even much of it gets published in Europe" (yet now and then they air some documentaries made by independent journalists. Being "not embedded" with the US censorship means they risk their lives to birng you the truth. I recommend that they are given a statue.)
4. If you mention this on a US message board - that calls itself "international" - being yourself Middle Eastern, you get hunted down by a posse and it ends in you getting banned. (There is a reason for this. Not all that many US'er's frequenting such boards can live with the truth about their Holy Nation and even those who do can't let go the strong feeling that you must worship the US Heros. Telling that they are murderers is "not done" even if they murdered your very own loved ones. These loved ones are called "crushed egg shells " and also "worth it" etc.. by the Loving US'ers.)
5. All those who vehemently deny that such things happen can come and say that in my face and see how they get away with it. They should be shock- and bullet proof since I shall drop them into Iraq, to where it happened. See how they get away there too with their denials to those who survived, yet who can show the graves of those who didn't.
6. Yes, reading once again such stupid, arrogant denials by ignorant brainwashed flag waving US'ers makes my blood boil. Just a little. With more then much reason.
salaam.
you refer to killed civilians as 'crushed egg shells' - i find the military term "collateral damage" more offensive in a way. i think that the media (and obviously i don't mean bbc and itn) should try and at least add quotation marks at least every time they mention this disgusting and inhuman phrase. at least give the dead the justice of being referred to as humans. collateral damage reminds me of dropping a tea cup to get to the boiling saucepan - something inconsequential; unimportant and irrelevant. the way we use words says much about what we really think...
assalam aleikum btw
assalam aleikum btw
aleikum wa salaam
It was thrown at me at a US message board, hence nothing "official".
I consider this the most disgusting arrogant but also the most easy way for the USA to brush under the table their massacring of innocent people.
That it is a US invention stemming form the Vietnam war is telling enough. That it became so very quickly adopted to refer also to the killings of innocent people is even more telling.
Did you ever see a reference to a US soldier as "collateral damage" when one of them dies or gets wounded as result of "friendly fire"? I must have missed it.
Telling again, isn't it. If not US, people killed by the US are not human but only "damage" and even "collateral" too.
In my opinion the media should be harshly criticized by everyone who reads it every time they dare to call a human "collateral damage".
It is the obvious intention that it works like that on the subconcious (and even on conscious) level among the general population.
Yes it does but it takes a functioning brain to detect this. Sadly enough so many people on htis globe put their brain in a coma when making it work risks to disturb their peace of mind.
salaam.
Ing_soc said:
It was thrown at me at a US message board, hence nothing "official".
I consider this the most disgusting arrogant but also the most easy way for the USA to brush under the table their massacring of innocent people.
That it is a US invention stemming form the Vietnam war is telling enough. That it became so very quickly adopted to refer also to the killings of innocent people is even more telling.
Did you ever see a reference to a US soldier as "collateral damage" when one of them dies or gets wounded as result of "friendly fire"? I must have missed it.
Telling again, isn't it. If not US, people killed by the US are not human but only "damage" and even "collateral" too.
In my opinion the media should be harshly criticized by everyone who reads it every time they dare to call a human "collateral damage".
It is the obvious intention that it works like that on the subconcious (and even on conscious) level among the general population.
Yes it does but it takes a functioning brain to detect this. Sadly enough so many people on htis globe put their brain in a coma when making it work risks to disturb their peace of mind.
salaam.
Yeah well, we see the real insight into american thinking at the highest level when we recall madelaine albright telling the world that half a million iraqi deaths was an acceptable price to pay.
They are the biggest killers in the world, they kill more than all 200 of the other countries added together. They are the biggest terrorists in the world.
They are also the biggest danger to human life and to our civilisation. Bush also happens to be an insane maniac. Along with his cronies such as rumsfeld, cheney, perle, rove, rice, and the so on.
They are the biggest killers in the world, they kill more than all 200 of the other countries added together. They are the biggest terrorists in the world.
They are also the biggest danger to human life and to our civilisation. Bush also happens to be an insane maniac. Along with his cronies such as rumsfeld, cheney, perle, rove, rice, and the so on.
I don't know of any more stabily installed leadership with more nuclear weapons at its disposal and more stable in their aim to create warfare and bloodshed in other nations then the current US administration.
I call that combination of arrogance, stubborness, ignorance and self-centered lunatic over-estimation and self-glorification the greatest imminent threat to the whole world.
salaam.
I call that combination of arrogance, stubborness, ignorance and self-centered lunatic over-estimation and self-glorification the greatest imminent threat to the whole world.
salaam.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
likesfish said:I doubt therethe biggest threat to the world theres unfortunatly a few more unstable leaders with access to nuclear weapons
The US is expansionist, it does not tolerate non-capitalist states, it does not tolerate states free of its political or militray influence. The US actively seeks Full Spectrum Dominance across the globe, mere supremacy is not enough. The US based Capilatist-Internacional finds war to be very lucrative indeed. If anything I think Bush is a less dnagerous president then most US presidents, you see him for what he is. Meanwhile the likes of Clinton or Kennedy are seen as heroes or nice-guys. Better to know the devil is a devil then to mistake him for a gentlemen.
Mmm Prolly shouldnt read what I have to say since it upsets your apple cart,
a big shot of truth can do that to people.
Well, Human Nature and the True Nature of War between humans has not changed At All
We will need to Kill enough of "Those People" untill We have conquered them
or they No longer exsist.
Or they will do the same to Us.
All the Carrying on and whipped up guilt about non combatants deaths
are as nothing.
So, do the muslim papers bewail the accidental deaths of Americans?
the beheading of non combatant american people? over there to help poor people?
the kidnapping/killing of aid workers?
Alderbran Do YOU expect me to Feel sorry?
Do you expect Me to somehow believe that the Enemy is some moral bunch of good ol boys out there doing the good for Allah?
If We chose to fight the Terrorists useing the same value system that They have employed in their actions against us
We Would Quickly DE Populate Most of the World.
Thats what we are looking at
I know I throw a monkey in your wrench pal.
thats because you know I am right.
The immutable truth is that when this war finally concludes it will be a very different world than what we we have now.
The FACT that the arab muslim peoples are only stewarts of their countrys is unchangeable.
The oil rich persian gulf is there for the taking, if that becomes neccessary.
That is just the way it is.
The World needs oil to operate
We have been willing to pay for the oil
That is what has created this silly situation.
The British should have kept the middle east and managed it better
the decision to let it go to the natives is the root of this whole problem.
We (that means the world) will not tolerate a unstable oil supply.
and the United States will not tolerate attacks on our country.
Kinda simple isnt it...
The Truth is the entire middle east exsistance is dependant on our forbearance.
when that Forbearance ends.............there will be changes.
May be it will not come to that
May be the Arab muslim terrorists will just stop all this fighting and go home.....
and we can bring our boys home....
May be pigs will fly.........
To help my perspective,
So,.......
How many thousand tons of Steel per year does Iraq make?
How many Aircraft?
computerchips?
how many space vehicles launched?
What do "Those people" do besides sell oil pumped out of the ground with equipment made in America.
from wells drilled by Americans with American Drilling rigs......
We NEED arabian oil
We dont need Arabians.
But the Arabians dont know that
is your blood boiling yet?
the truth hurts huh.........
a big shot of truth can do that to people.
Well, Human Nature and the True Nature of War between humans has not changed At All
We will need to Kill enough of "Those People" untill We have conquered them
or they No longer exsist.
Or they will do the same to Us.
All the Carrying on and whipped up guilt about non combatants deaths
are as nothing.
So, do the muslim papers bewail the accidental deaths of Americans?
the beheading of non combatant american people? over there to help poor people?
the kidnapping/killing of aid workers?
Alderbran Do YOU expect me to Feel sorry?
Do you expect Me to somehow believe that the Enemy is some moral bunch of good ol boys out there doing the good for Allah?
If We chose to fight the Terrorists useing the same value system that They have employed in their actions against us
We Would Quickly DE Populate Most of the World.
Thats what we are looking at
I know I throw a monkey in your wrench pal.
thats because you know I am right.
The immutable truth is that when this war finally concludes it will be a very different world than what we we have now.
The FACT that the arab muslim peoples are only stewarts of their countrys is unchangeable.
The oil rich persian gulf is there for the taking, if that becomes neccessary.
That is just the way it is.
The World needs oil to operate
We have been willing to pay for the oil
That is what has created this silly situation.
The British should have kept the middle east and managed it better
the decision to let it go to the natives is the root of this whole problem.
We (that means the world) will not tolerate a unstable oil supply.
and the United States will not tolerate attacks on our country.
Kinda simple isnt it...
The Truth is the entire middle east exsistance is dependant on our forbearance.
when that Forbearance ends.............there will be changes.
May be it will not come to that
May be the Arab muslim terrorists will just stop all this fighting and go home.....
and we can bring our boys home....
May be pigs will fly.........
To help my perspective,
So,.......
How many thousand tons of Steel per year does Iraq make?
How many Aircraft?
computerchips?
how many space vehicles launched?
What do "Those people" do besides sell oil pumped out of the ground with equipment made in America.
from wells drilled by Americans with American Drilling rigs......
We NEED arabian oil
We dont need Arabians.
But the Arabians dont know that
is your blood boiling yet?
the truth hurts huh.........
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
Hey folks...behold the future hate filled xenophobic rantings of an American Patriot..... 
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Rentonite said:
No, it doesn't make my blood boil. Your post leaves me feeling very sad for you. What a terrible way to see the world. Maybe you should find God or something. Until then, I shall pray for your soul.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Crispy said:
After you fire the gun, are you going to give it a good severance package?
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