littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So you're happy with the level of analysis of a tabloid newspaper.
US man shoots his wife and five kids dead
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N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
That would actually be the Second Ammendment of the United States Constitution.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No it wouldn't, it would actually be the conventionally accepted interpretation of what the 2nd Amendment means, that is responsible.
That's the same interpretation that the NRA eagerly backs and has backed since it's inception, by the way, the interpretation that puts emphasis on "....the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed", but not so much emphasis on what comes before that, which is "a well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State...".
Now, I don't know about you, but the NRA doesn't appear to me to be sponsoring the formation of "well-regulated militias", does it? It appears to me to be sponsoring gun-ownership as a fundamental constitutional right per se, with no pre-conditions such as membership of a militia.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I don't believe that the boy killed his father. They showed tapes of his "interview" by the police on a news program and the confession looked coerced. Not only that, he couldn't tell the same story twice. 8-year-olds are known for confabulating stories to appease adults.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6278116
This isn't the video I saw, but ABC showed about 15 minutes of it on a nightly news program.
BTW, what kind of mother would allow her 8-year-old child to be questioned by the police without at least her or her lawyer present? WTF?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
From the outside this family looks like a standard fundy family group where everyone has strictly defined roles. It looks like the father fucked up his designated role and couldn't handle it. You could blame it on the rigid sex role definitions, if you were inclined to a feminist interpretation.
How sad.
last year back in Detroit some dude had racked up like $400,000 in gambling debts so he killed his three kids and wife while they slept...
and i think he set the house on fire before he hung himself
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Well it's unlikely that 8 year olds would!
Nor this 17 year old.
That said though I'm not particularly anti-guns, but then that's my own little contradictory world
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Oh, I don't know. It's pretty easy to be blasé about another story in another newspaper.
I doubt the same level of feeling would be there if it was a next door neighbour
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Yeah it messes with my head too. If I fucked up the family situation that badly I'd just make sure I was well insured and do the deed in private
Yeah it messes with my head too. If I fucked up the family situation that badly I'd just make sure I was well insured and do the deed in private
I think quite a few life insurance companies in the US don't cover death by suicide for that reason.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
You can cash it, but you've just got to wait two years. Best take out insurance now in case you fancy offing yourself if things become bad!
it is tragic but this is a common occurrence here...and for each episode the media reports there are a thousand others that don't make the news because they aren't "tragic" enough...
at some point one has to desensitize themselves otherwise they'll go looney or mental
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
You need to move somewhere else other than Detroit. Our crime rate here is the lowest its been in 30 or more years.
Exactly. The NRA HQ building in D.C. has the inscription of the 2nd amendment, but just the "right to bear arms" part. They are quite dangerous fanatics.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
back in the day the unorgainsed milita was every able bodied man between 18 and 45 obviously not blacks women or indians who could be called upon to defend the state.
NRAs point is the founding farthers were quite explicit without citizens being willing to bear arms and have access to said arms the US could fall. Or if the goverment turned tyranous having the right to bear arms allows the citizen to resist.
both stalin and the nazis and most tryants arn't keen on ordianry people having access to firearms and I don't think its because they value public safety
Jackie smith feels unsafe walking the streets with armed bodyguards but woe betide any mere serf who arms themselves with so much as a stick for self defense
NRAs point is the founding farthers were quite explicit without citizens being willing to bear arms and have access to said arms the US could fall. Or if the goverment turned tyranous having the right to bear arms allows the citizen to resist.
both stalin and the nazis and most tryants arn't keen on ordianry people having access to firearms and I don't think its because they value public safety
Jackie smith feels unsafe walking the streets with armed bodyguards but woe betide any mere serf who arms themselves with so much as a stick for self defense
This whole thing could be solved by treating guns like cars. Require that all guns be registered & that owners would need a license. But the gun nuts would go apeshit & say it's the first step toward confiscation.back in the day the unorgainsed milita was every able bodied man between 18 and 45 obviously not blacks women or indians who could be called upon to defend the state.
NRAs point is the founding farthers were quite explicit without citizens being willing to bear arms and have access to said arms the US could fall. Or if the goverment turned tyranous having the right to bear arms allows the citizen to resist.
both stalin and the nazis and most tryants arn't keen on ordianry people having access to firearms and I don't think its because they value public safety
Jackie smith feels unsafe walking the streets with armed bodyguards but woe betide any mere serf who arms themselves with so much as a stick for self defense
8ball
World is a fuck
You need to move somewhere else other than Detroit. Our crime rate here is the lowest its been in 30 or more years.
how many times do i have to say i moved to chicago permanently a month ago? look at my location
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
8ball
World is a fuck
You neglected to change your username, asswipe!
1st nomination for 'Best Use of "asswipe" in a post award 2009'.
I think anyone can buy a gun at a gun show with no license. It's called the gun show loophole.I thought you did need a license in the US.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
theres no need for a licence in the states there is a background check and in some states a mandotary waiting period of 5 days.
the so called gun show loophole is private sales if you sell a couple of guns privately at a gunshow background checks don't need to be done if your a dealer they do.
you need a licence for concealed carry depending on the state some just let you carry.
machine guns $200 TAX plus forms from the atf no more legal machine guns after 1986 so they are very very expensive.
re licencing unfortunatly the gun nuts are dead right on this one. The gun licence was brought into the UK as a way of disarming vetrans after ww1 when the goverment feared armed revolution funny how lefties always favour gun control even though it disarmed the working class
the so called gun show loophole is private sales if you sell a couple of guns privately at a gunshow background checks don't need to be done if your a dealer they do.
you need a licence for concealed carry depending on the state some just let you carry.
machine guns $200 TAX plus forms from the atf no more legal machine guns after 1986 so they are very very expensive.
re licencing unfortunatly the gun nuts are dead right on this one
. The gun licence was brought into the UK as a way of disarming vetrans after ww1 when the goverment feared armed revolution funny how lefties always favour gun control even though it disarmed the working class
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
You can't ban murderous intent. Without a gun, the killer would have found another tool. A kitchen knife can be just as lethal as a firearm. Or he could have acquired a gun illegally.
Should the gun control lobby apologise to the people who cannot defend themselves for lack of a lawful firearm?
Perfection isn't an option; neither side has it clean. But extreme cases like this don't prove the debate one way or the other.
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