US inequality
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JHE said:
Right, because I don't have children your point went right over my head like two distant white lines of vapour pearcing the sky like a silver needle. I guess if I did have kids I'd be less of an arse about it. Point taken, not fuck em then, just I've seen shantytown cities and how poor people live in Nigeria, so it's sometimes it's difficult for me to remember that American poor people have a tough time too, even though they live in the richest and most powerfull and most greedy nation on Earth. All that bling the often overwieght American poor seem to care about can make it easy to dismiss their plight compared to people who don't get to eat much.
JHE said:
No i don't think he means it like that. I think he means that he finds it difficult to see the impoverished in the US as being AS impoverished as those in the other countries. He has less sympathy because he has less awareness. This is possibly because US poverty at this level tends to be reported less. It's america's dirty secret, if you will.
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Ryazan said:
I'm sure you have a penetrating understanding of everything.
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rocketman said:
So how poor exactly do Amerca's poor come, we're talking about more then Jerry Springer grade trailer-folk right?
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Ryazan said:
Fetishize!
Well, I dunno about that but I have experienced the poor in the 3rd world, whereas all I know about the American poor comes from teevee, film and music. I admit this is an inadequate knowlegde so I'm willing to correct my bigoted comments from before in light of better information. But simply put- nobody who kills for trainers (as was the craze a few years ago) will get my sympathy over people who's kids work twelve hour days down coal-mines and corporate coffee farms jus so they can eat (as is the case in parts of South America). If this is a 'fetish' then so be it.
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JHE said:
That's poor enough for my sympathy. From the knowledge I get, you wouldn't guess there are hungry Americans. Do they often die of malnutrition too?
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Fair pointforeigner said:
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Ryazan said:
Not a blanket assumptioin that they all do, but if that's about the level of what Americans call poverty, that some feel they have to kill to take part in the consumer circus then, I reffer you to my earlier sentiments.
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cyberfairy said:
Thanks, *struggles with self over whether to admit it was actually a genuine question!*
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pbman said:
Would you be a Minuteman peebs? I mean if you lived in California or whatever.
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Yes, granted, but the situation of the poor in the USA is more complex than that. What about Central and South American immigrants working illegally in the US? Whatr about Central and South American gangs involved in violence in the US?
There are families supporting one another without any proper welfare provision, and for many it is due to more legitiamte concerns other than just wanting a pair of Nikes. Unemployment, and being born into low income familesw affects you r chances. The idea that the poor deserve their poverty, because they are lazy or only desire superfluous items from the consumer culture that exists there is very wrong. Yes, some poor people have and cause problems, but many are sturggling to get by, with little help, no matter what "good choices" they make.
Yes, granted, but the situation of the poor in the USA is more complex than that. What about Central and South American immigrants working illegally in the US? Whatr about Central and South American gangs involved in violence in the US?
There are families supporting one another without any proper welfare provision, and for many it is due to more legitiamte concerns other than just wanting a pair of Nikes. Unemployment, and being born into low income familesw affects you r chances. The idea that the poor deserve their poverty, because they are lazy or only desire superfluous items from the consumer culture that exists there is very wrong. Yes, some poor people have and cause problems, but many are sturggling to get by, with little help, no matter what "good choices" they make.
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I don't know how many people in the US actually die from hunger. (A few judicious googles might find the answer, if you are really curious.) More, obviously, will die of poverty in ways - especially among those who lack access to proper medical treatment.foreigner said:
If I understand your view correctly, you think poverty is entirely a matter of 'absolute poverty' - i.e., not enough calories, lack of crucial nutrients, freezing to death in winter, complete destitution etc.
Poverty is also 'relative' - i.e., the lack of means to participate in, and lead a life considered normal in, the society in which you live. That's one reason why the issue of inequality matters, as well as the question of the absolute level of consumption.
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Ryazan said:
I don't beleive in the merit=wealth argument, I think it's bollocks because the system's tilted toward the wealthy and their children.
I'd consider Latin American immigrants from the poor nations America has spent the last 50 years fucking-up mercilessly to be part of the poverty outside of America. Once they get to America they bring the poverty they had back home with them. In a way it's a lesson about chickens coming home to roost and how what goes on in the 3rd world effects what goes on in the 1st.
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JHE said:
Fair enough, relative to poor in the 3rd world, all Americans live like kings.
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JHE said:All of them?
Is His Majesty is just begging for fun?
Ah, but he's a tramp. You can't compare poverty with mental illness and addiction, for all you know he could be a millionaire. But since even American poverty can lead to mental illness and addiction, I'll accept your point.
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