US Imperialism has peaked - the only way left to go is down...

[TAE]

Before the U.S., was their any nation founded in writing on any basis? Which nations have been so founded since?

Nice spelling there.

BTW, I think you'll find the Federal Republic of Germany was 'so founded since'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

so fucking what?
well done on completely missing the point I was making.

What makes you think he missed the point?

I'd say he did rather well avoiding (it appears to be one of the few things he's any good at) the point.

 

[fela fan]

nooooo! don't start all that america-bashing...The vast majority of Americans HATE Bush's guts and the grassroots anti-war movement over there is growing by the day!!

well, the cowboys, hollywood, gun ownership, extreme fighting, military weapons, wars, state execution...

 

[fela fan]

Probably both, truth be told.

Nice anti-Americna rant from Fela I see...

Good to see you not slacking on both fronts: following what i'm saying and misconstruing/misrepresenting it.

How does criticising something make someone 'anti' what he is criticising? In any case i'm in observer mode, not judgment mode.

 

[rogue yam]

If you had any effective intelligence, would you and your poor Iraqi stooges be getting blown up with IEDs quite so often yammy? The sort of stuff that's happening in the Sunni triangle only happens when the whole population is on the side of the resistance and where the occupying power has no intel.

Intelligence like this perhaps, BG?


December 20, 2005

Huge weapons cache found

By Ryan Lenz
Associated Press

ZUWAD KHALAF, Iraq — As the piles of missiles and rockets dug from the desert floor grew, smiles on soldiers’ faces turned to scowls of serious concern.

Working on a tip from an informant, soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division on Tuesday dug up more than a thousand aging rockets and missiles wrapped in plastic, some of which had been buried as recently as two weeks ago, Army officials said.

“This is the mother lode, right here,” Sgt. Jeremy Galusha, 25, of Dallas, Ore., said, leaning on a shovel after uncovering more than 20 Soviet missiles.

As the sun set Tuesday, soldiers continued to uncover more, following zigzagging tire tracks across the desert floor and using metal detectors to locate weapons including mines, mortars and machine gun rounds.

But the growing piles of missiles and rockets were of primary concern for the soldiers in Iraq, where bombs made with loose ordinance by insurgents are the preferred method to target coalition forces.

“In our eyes, every one of these rockets represents one less IED,” said 2nd Lt. Patrick Vardaro, 23, of Norwood, Mass., a platoon leader in the division’s 187th Infantry Regiment.

Vardaro would not comment on whether there were signs the caches had been used recently to make bombs, but the service records accompanying the missiles dated to 1984, suggesting they were buried by the Iraqi military under Saddam Hussein.

Still, the plastic around some of the rockets — of Soviet, German and French origins — appeared to be fresh and had not deteriorated as it had on some of the older munitions.

An Air Force explosive ordinance team planned to begin destroying them as early as Wednesday morning.

Commanders in the 101st said knowing that an Iraqi tipped them off to the buried weapons could mean that residents in this largely Sunni Arab region about 150 miles north of Baghdad are beginning to warm up to coalition forces.

“The tide is turning,” Vardaro said. “It’s better to work with Americans than against us.”

Army officials would not say who had informed them of the weapons caches or whether national security forces including Iraqi Army and police had helped.

“A good Samaritan told us about it,” he said.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well, I think you have to do a bit better than finding a couple of thousand mouldy old rockets and running a PR exercise about it. Do you have any evidence that the US is regularly ambushing their ambushers for example?

What one would expect to see in an effectively conducted counter-insurgency campaign would be a significant (relative to the size of the insurgency) number of incidents in which resistance fighters showed up to set an ambush/IED, found a bunch of special forces waiting for them and got massacred. (see e.g. Loughall )

 

[Streathamite]

If he is I feel sorry for his shrink.

I don't, the guy must be making a f-ing fortune out of him!!!
Every day this breezeblockhead turns up at his front door, he must think "yippee! that's the mortgage on the manhattan condo paid for, plus the villa in the Bahamas, plus little Lucinda's ballet lessons, plus a new Caddie, new kitchen, golf club membership and the wife's nip 'n' tuck job...Life's goood, I tell ya"

 

[Streathamite]

Intelligence like this perhaps, BG?


December 20, 2005

Huge weapons cache found

By Ryan Lenz
Associated Press

ZUWAD KHALAF, Iraq — As the piles of missiles and rockets dug from the desert floor grew, smiles on soldiers’ faces turned to scowls of serious concern.

Working on a tip from an informant, soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division on Tuesday dug up more than a thousand aging rockets and missiles wrapped in plastic, some of which had been buried as recently as two weeks ago, Army officials said.

“This is the mother lode, right here,” Sgt. Jeremy Galusha, 25, of Dallas, Ore., said, leaning on a shovel after uncovering more than 20 Soviet missiles.

As the sun set Tuesday, soldiers continued to uncover more, following zigzagging tire tracks across the desert floor and using metal detectors to locate weapons including mines, mortars and machine gun rounds.

But the growing piles of missiles and rockets were of primary concern for the soldiers in Iraq, where bombs made with loose ordinance by insurgents are the preferred method to target coalition forces.

“In our eyes, every one of these rockets represents one less IED,” said 2nd Lt. Patrick Vardaro, 23, of Norwood, Mass., a platoon leader in the division’s 187th Infantry Regiment.

Vardaro would not comment on whether there were signs the caches had been used recently to make bombs, but the service records accompanying the missiles dated to 1984, suggesting they were buried by the Iraqi military under Saddam Hussein.

Still, the plastic around some of the rockets — of Soviet, German and French origins — appeared to be fresh and had not deteriorated as it had on some of the older munitions.

An Air Force explosive ordinance team planned to begin destroying them as early as Wednesday morning.

Commanders in the 101st said knowing that an Iraqi tipped them off to the buried weapons could mean that residents in this largely Sunni Arab region about 150 miles north of Baghdad are beginning to warm up to coalition forces.

“The tide is turning,” Vardaro said. “It’s better to work with Americans than against us.”

Army officials would not say who had informed them of the weapons caches or whether national security forces including Iraqi Army and police had helped.

“A good Samaritan told us about it,” he said.

errr, sorry, i thought you said thre insurgents has sod all 'hardware', and yet this is the stuff your pet attack dogs find.....

tut-tut, mustn't tell fibs on a public BB
must also learn not to get caught out so easily.

 

[ViolentPanda]

errr, sorry, i thought you said thre insurgents has sod all 'hardware', and yet this is the stuff your pet attack dogs find.....

tut-tut, mustn't tell fibs on a public BB
must also learn not to get caught out so easily.

Daft thing is that unless the US troops already knew where the ammo dump was and had been sitting and watching it (which would mean having sat and watched as explosives that could be used on their comrades-in-arms were extracted for deployment), they'd have no way of knowing that some of it had "...been buried as recently as two weeks ago...".

The only way you can usually determine the age of the "stock" in an arms dump is by the age of the design of the materiel, but RPGs and shoulder-fired missiles have been manufactured solidly for over 40 years, modern-guage mortars for a bit longer, so unless the stuff had very recent datemarks...

Sounds like someone pointed them at an Iran/Iraq war, or GW1 or 2-vintage ammo dump and the military press machine decided to engineer a public relations coup.

Unless of course Mr Sweet-Potatohead can produce something more juicy than what is in effect a military press release that's been re-written by an AP stringer.

 

[TAE]

Also, rogue yam, it would help if you could provide a link.

The reason being that anyone can type a made up news story:


December 20, 2005

Huge father chistmas found

By Ryan Lenz
Associated Press

ZUWAD KHALAF, Iraq — As the piles of missiles and rockets dug from the desert floor grew, smiles on soldiers’ faces turned to disbelief as a giant father christmas robot was unearthed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

December 20, 2005

Huge father chistmas found

By Ryan Lenz
Associated Press

ZUWAD KHALAF, Iraq — As the piles of missiles and rockets dug from the desert floor grew, smiles on soldiers’ faces turned to disbelief as a giant father christmas robot was unearthed.

Wow, Mecha-Santa! Did it come to life and boom out a "ho ho ho"?

 

[rogue yam]

Also, rogue yam, it would help if you could provide a link.

The plain fact of the matter is that we are each responsible for doing our own research. There have been a couple of instances on this board where people have accused me of falsifying reports. Each charge has been false. When I question anything that I have read, here or anywhere, I act. I do not lie or pose like you all. There is a profound lack of integrity on this board. I am not so foolish as to allow the laziness or dishonesty of the predominant urban75 poster to cause me to waste my time.

 

[rogue yam]

errr, sorry, i thought you said thre insurgents has sod all 'hardware', and yet this is the stuff your pet attack dogs find...

Quantity vs. quality, lad. You fail to understand the level of sophistication of our kit. It's all relative. What we found on this raid is top-flight for them, bup-kiss for us. We are delighted to take from them their primitive tools. When we hit them, it is with systems that their primitive minds cannot understand. And hit them we do, much to your despair.

 

[Yossarian]

Where did this whingeing cunt spring up from?

 

[Fruitloop]

Seppoe-ville. Comme toujours, hélas.

 

[kyser_soze]

Yam

Can I just ask, are you writing these posts from a forward position in downtown Baghdad, out there with your boys at the sharp end of US Foreign Policy? Or are you another pathetic chickenhawk who sits and reads his war porn, mouse in one hand, gun-oiled up little 'weapon' in the other? The constant referrals to 'we' and 'us' makes it seem as tho you're the former, but I suspect that you're 15 and wanking yourself blind in your bedroom in Buttfuck, LA.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The plain fact of the matter is that we are each responsible for doing our own research. There have been a couple of instances on this board where people have accused me of falsifying reports. Each charge has been false. When I question anything that I have read, here or anywhere, I act. I do not lie or pose like you all. There is a profound lack of integrity on this board. I am not so foolish as to allow the laziness or dishonesty of the predominant urban75 poster to cause me to waste my time.

Translation:

Rogue Yam says "I'm a lazy, lying sack of shit with no intellectual integrity".

And you know something? I agree with you wholeheartedly.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Quantity vs. quality, lad. You fail to understand the level of sophistication of our kit. It's all relative. What we found on this raid is top-flight for them, bup-kiss for us. We are delighted to take from them their primitive tools. When we hit them, it is with systems that their primitive minds cannot understand. And hit them we do, much to your despair.

You fail to understand a very simple point, which is that however high-tech your weapons and detection kit may be, their "prrimitive tools" are still killing US/UK troops.

You'd think your guys would have learnt from the Soviet Unions' mistakes in Afghanistan, where they regularly took casualties from snipers using Jezails and other "primitive tools".

 

[snadge]

When we hit them, it is with systems that their primitive minds cannot understand.

nice man, shows where his thought processes lead to.

pure rascism.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yam

Can I just ask, are you writing these posts from a forward position in downtown Baghdad, out there with your boys at the sharp end of US Foreign Policy? Or are you another pathetic chickenhawk who sits and reads his war porn, mouse in one hand, gun-oiled up little 'weapon' in the other? The constant referrals to 'we' and 'us' makes it seem as tho you're the former, but I suspect that you're 15 and wanking yourself blind in your bedroom in Buttfuck, LA.

Nah, probably in his thirties, middle class, doesn't ask what he can do for his country but what his country can do for him, and has an experience of any kind of Arab culture limited to eating the occasional shish kabob.
I see him as the type of man the DKs wrote "Holiday in Cambodia" about.

The rest of your points sound pretty solid though, another dick-stroker with a severe courage deficit and too much time one his one empty hand.

 

[ViolentPanda]

nice man, shows where his thought processes lead to.

pure rascism.

Purely pathetic too, and (IMO) shows a lack of any type of military experience, or he'd know that rule number one is "never underestimate the enemy".

That's what Rummy (and phony Tony and "Buff" Hoon) did despite the (very sensible in the context of what has since occurred) warnings and protestations of the military services who were looking at being deployed.

 

[Streathamite]

I do not lie or pose like you all.

so how does anyone KNOW you're not lying or bullshitting, without a link to provide provenance etc? this is the web. you could be anyone. so far, your cred ain't good....

 

[TAE]

The plain fact of the matter is that we are each responsible for doing our own research.

You've already named your source (date/location/reporter/agency) and that's cool, how hard can it be to include the URL of that story with your post?

There have been a couple of instances on this board where people have accused me of falsifying reports. Each charge has been false.

I was not accusing you, just pointing out that proving a link would help your case.

When I question anything that I have read, here or anywhere, I act. I do not lie or pose like you all. There is a profound lack of integrity on this board. I am not so foolish as to allow the laziness or dishonesty of the predominant urban75 poster to cause me to waste my time.

We shall see if you live up to your own high standards.

 

[snadge]

yammy is the missing penguin bairn??

 

[kyser_soze]

yammy is the missing penguin bairn??

Nah, that's cute, fluffy and is missed by someone or something for going missing...

 

[TAE]

Quantity vs. quality, lad. You fail to understand the level of sophistication of our kit. It's all relative. What we found on this raid is top-flight for them, bup-kiss for us. We are delighted to take from them their primitive tools. When we hit them, it is with systems that their primitive minds cannot understand. And hit them we do, much to your despair.

Hang on, this is the same country which was such a big threat to the US that you had the right under existing treaties to invade and occupy their land?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hang on, this is the same country which was such a big threat to the US that you had the right under existing treaties to invade and occupy their land?

That's the one.

Damn them for their high-tech yet primitive tools of mass destruction, the evil bastards!

 

[Streathamite]

When we hit them, it is with systems that their primitive minds cannot understand.

so, umm, can you please tell me how arab or afghan minds are 'primitive' compared to those of you and your compatriots?

 

[ViolentPanda]

so, umm, can you please tell me how arab or afghan minds are 'primitive' compared to those of you and your compatriots?

C'mon Jezza, you really believe Mr Sweet Potatohead is here to answer any questions we have about the racist crap he's spouting?

He's here for the same reason mears, pbman et al are; to talk crap and give himself a warm glow (and possibly a handjob) for "putting those commies in their place" (as if they actually had the ability to!).

Answer questions? The effort of being honest would kill 'em.

 

[Streathamite]

true, but I'm highly intrigued as to the answer...