US Democratic Party Primaries 2019

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  1. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

    i think he's serious

  2. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    Has anything been heard of Creepy Joe Biden lately? He hasn't officially dropped out, but he seems to have gone awfully quiet.
  3. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    The more he talks, the lower his slips in the polls.
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  4. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    Let's put a smile on that face.
  5. petee

    petee i'm spartacus


    Former Vice President Joe Biden's lead in the race for the Democratic nomination for president has rebounded, and now stands at its widest margin since April, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

    Biden has the support of 34% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters, his best showing in CNN polling since just after his campaign's formal launch on April 25.

    Sens. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont are about even for second, with 19% and 16%, respectively. Behind them, South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Kamala Harris of California each have 6% support, with Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and former Texas Congressman Beto O'Rourke each at 3%.
  6. Smokeandsteam

    Smokeandsteam Exiting the Vampire Castle

    What does this poll tell us that’s new? Nothing.

    Biden remains the candidate of decomposing centrism. He remains the choice of the machine. He remains popular with those who haven’t actually watched the debates. His campaign is uninspiring even to the constituency that will support it.

    There is only one lesson democrats need to remember from the entire Trump experience to date. Put simply it’s this: they won’t and can’t beat him from the centre. They can’t win with a nostalgic longing for a return to third way double liberalism.
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  7. Marty1

    Marty1 lol

  8. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    Just seen that Beto O'Rourke is dropping out. Biden next hopefully.
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2019
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  9. Marty1

    Marty1 lol

    Robert has been having a hard time of it recently.

  10. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    I'm not sad to see O'Rourke and his dull Generation X centrism fall by the wayside, although if I was assembling a Frankencandidate, I'd keep his age, his Texan-ness, and his healthy attitude toward gun-grabbing.

    The latest New York Times poll:

    I don't think primary voters in the South are going to warm to Buttigieg and I don't think Bernie Sanders is going to be able to expand much beyond his base because of his age and health problems, unfortunately - if I was going to bet on it, I'd predict an extended Warren/Biden battle, followed by a Warren/Trump general election, followed by a Trump victory after a controversial recount in Ohio or Florida or some other state with a Republican governor.
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  11. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Here's another corporate dem in the race. They seem to be set on letting the ultra-wealthy run things for themselves.

    Bloomberg ready to spend 'whatever it takes' to become president

    I've come to the conclusion that the Democratic Party would rather reelect Trump than ever elect someone like Sanders. If they nominate a corporate dem, I'm realling thinking I'll stay home. I live in a red state. It really doesn't matter if I show up.
  12. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    Doesn't Nebraska have that unusual set-up where the electoral votes are split by district?

    If Trump was defeated by a single electoral vote from an otherwise red state it would A) prevent the untold horror of a second Trump term and B) be one of the most hilarious things that ever happened in American presidential politics, so your vote does very much count.
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  13. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Yes, its true that Nebraska divides its electoral votes by districts. We have three votes = three districts. The only one likely to cleave off is the first district (Omaha). They did this once during the Obama years. I'm in the second district. It won't peel off.

    The reason I think I'll stay home is that I don't think Bloomberg is better than Trump. Bloomberg has much more money than Trump and I don't think his policies will be all that different. In the last seven years his wealth has doubled. He used to be the mayor of New York City. He's a former Republican. He's also the one who instituted the stop and frisk policies when he was mayor of New York. This policy allowed the cops to stop anyone they wanted to and search them. In practice, it meant if you were poor and nonwhite you couldn't go anywhere or do anything without fear of being stopped.

    Bloomberg’s 'stop-and-frisk' legacy would complicate presidential bid

    That's not what a free country looks like, any more than what Trump has planned for us. As far as I'm concerned, you could make the world a better place if you weighted both of them with concrete blocks and dumped them in the East River.
  14. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

    a few items about bloomie. he was a lifelong liberal democrat, by his own description, until the year before his election, when he spotted that he could ride giuliani's name (with his approval) into gracie mansion. this was cynical, but maybe less so in a town where someone was once elected mayor running on the GOP and socialist tickets at once (laguardia). the GOP in NYC was for a long time to the left of the democratic party in most of the country.

    he was the developers' best friend and the continuing wreckage of my neighborhood and others is owed to his policies, though deblasio hasn't worked too hard to stop it.

    there was a two-term mayoral term limit, until he got his catspaw in the city council, christine quinn, to push through a third term measure ... which was then repealed after his third election. this subservient behavior cost her the democratic nomination which went to blaz.

    so, an open representative of moneyed interests with a cavalier attitude about electoral norms, but a social liberal and competent manager who "earned" his money by coming up with a useful idea and working his ass off, unlike the clown living on credit in the white house now. your call.

    someone said he's making noises because his type are worried about warren. maybe he's just trying to scare the party straight.
  15. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    Yep, Bloomberg is terrible and definitely belongs at the bottom of the East River - if the choice was between him and a scarecrow in a Bernie 2020 cap, I'd be on Team Straw.

    But even a Bloomberg would be an improvement over Trump's insane position on climate change and his inhuman treatment of refugees, DACA recipients, TPS holders, etc. - I just hope the Democrats aren't so stupid that they'll let the election become a contest between two billionaires, though their past form doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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  16. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    Warning this link has one of those autoplay videos on it, damnable things that they are.

    Hillary Clinton, get real (opinion) - CNN

    Anyway, it's full of good reasons why Hillary Clinton should stay on the subs' bench this time around, and because we live in hell, it probably means that she is, in fact, going to enter the race.
  17. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    If she wants to get on the ballot in New Hampshire, she'll need to make her mind up by tomorrow.
  18. Nylock

    Nylock I hate 'these days'...

    She's already fucked it for filing in a few early states (can't remember off the top of my head who they are).
  19. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    Could she get around that by waiting until the convention, and then presenting herself as the "compromise" candidate?
  20. Nylock

    Nylock I hate 'these days'...

    That happening would make for 'entertaining' viewing... :D
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  21. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Technically possible. Delegates to the convention are allowed to vote any way they want. Generally, they stick to who their district chose, but its not a rule that they do.
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  22. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    Funny kind of democracy, if you ask me.
  23. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    It's not a democracy. It's a representative republic.
  24. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    Well, quite. This was a bit of a laugh:

  25. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

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  26. Marty1

    Marty1 lol

    Eric Swalwell unleashed a ripping fart whilst being interviewed on MSNBC yesterday.

    Apparently a twitter storm ensued but Swalwell won’t come clean.
  27. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby Share knowledge, don't weaponize it

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  28. Marty1

    Marty1 lol

    Apparently Elizabeth Warren is now selling this mug on her online store :facepalm:


    $25 :eek:
  29. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    The candidates in tonight's debate - looks more like a cast reunion from an '80s sitcom.

  30. Marty1

    Marty1 lol

    Arrested for corruption?

    Ukraine, his son etc?

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