US declares Iranian Guards 'terrorists'.

[nino_savatte]

Actually Nino, Kahanists are true fascists and Phalangists never came close ot us. As for facts, viewing your integrity online as I have done for some years now, all i can offer is that is par for the course. find it telling though that you accuse Betar of fascism and then say Kahni are not quite. Seems as if you boxed yourself in but no problem. Truth does not change you see, only fringe sites that say the Talmud calls Christains animals believe that nonsense about Jabotinsky and if that is your thing, who am I to stop you? I will even send you an url of a Nazi group pretending ot be Kahani if you want to try for a trifecta.

How quickly these threads devolve into hate fests. Shame, but then from a nation enslaving the Malvinas, forcing Scots and Welsh to call themselves English, and trying to boycott schools in Israel, schools that have many Arab students mind you, when they do not even raise a whimper over places like N. Korea...what can one possibly expect? ike water off of a dog's back after 4500 years.

Nonsense, a Phalangist/Falangist just stops short of being an outright fascist. Fascism is a form of ideology that uses religion when it needs to. Falagism is a form of reactionary conservatism that fully embraces religoion (usually Xtianity).

You're absolutely barking mad as this quote demonstrates

forcing Scots and Welsh to call themselves English,

That never happened. Please provide some evidence. Oh and sicne when were you a staunch defender of the Scots or the Welsh? You have consistently demonstrated your ignorance of these islands since you came here to spread your muck. You were, as I recall, totally ignorant of the Gaeltacht/Gaeltachd.

The rest of your post is a screed and none of it is based on what I posted nor is it based on anything resembling fact.

How quickly these threads devolve into hate fests.

That's rich coming from a self-confessed racist.

 

[nino_savatte]

Rachamim's not joking - "many Jews did not join Mussolini at all" - that is correct statement.

Palestinian Jews & Arabs were part of Palestinian Regiments of British Army. Some fought Mussolini's forces in Egypt....some Pal Jews (e.g. Zvi Aharoni) were in British Army and sent to join the 8th Army (US) in Italy as part of mobile units...fighting against Mussolin's forces - thousands of them.

I said that many Italian Jews were members of Mussolini's fascists. Please note the adjective, Italian.
http://www.nextbook.org/cultural/book.html?bookid=890

R18 is wrong. He is also wrong about Jabotinsky. He continues to give a sanitised version of this man's ideology.

 

[nino_savatte]

god almighty, rachamim really knows how to churn it out!

He's a one man flak machine.

Here's some of his handywork.

rachamim ben ami from mindanao, philippines: (7 days 18 hours ago.)

What utter nonsense. Comparing this section of geopolitics to anything having to do with Apartheid S. Africa should be deemed a crime.

Apartheid is a system that was based on racial separation rootewd in Christianity. Both Arab AND Jew are not only of the same race, they are of the same sub-grouping! Not to mention that 2 million plus Arabs are full and equal citizens of Israel, enjoying EVERY single right that Jewish Israelis do!

Then, consider that there has NEVER been antion of Arabs there, nor did Israel ever refuse them self-determination! In 1919 both were offered states with the proposed Arab nation being a full 60 plus percent larger! Had they not refused, Trans-Jordan would not have been created by the Brits 3 years later!

Arabs suffer because they made and continue to make poor choices. Stop bombing babys in pizza resturants and maybe Israel will Withdraw from the WB as it did from Gaza, as Israel planned more than 2 years ago.

Westerners for the most part haven't a clue. So fascinated with that part of the world, as they rape the rest of it. Spolied children! Shame!

http://searchwarp.com/swa58583.htm

I've got more if you want it.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Regardless of the Hezbollah (Hiz spelling is Saudi dialect, neither Hez nor us use that dialect in Arabic so it is worthless Nino) social welfare network, they aim for completel destruction of another SOVEREIGN state. Additionally, they use caluclated violence against non-combtants so that these two last things make them clearly, a terrorist organisation.

Nitpicking is a sign of the truly desperate.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: I was actually in Lebaqnon for most of that war.

And now you're in the Phillipines. You must love Israel an awful lot to want to spend a lot of your time in Cambodia or the Phillipines.

 

[rachamim18]

Bernie: if life is sweet, and indeed I pray you find it so, why do you wate yours trying to disparage me? Simply confront factrs and provide your own, much better use of all time here.

You are seriously arguiong against British Imperialism and Nino, good job. What sources do you need? How England invaded both and enslaved its people? Or is just a source showing you that both were and remain distinct and apart from th eAnglo majorities?

As for defending people, as a Jew and as an Israeli, I tend to lean towards supporting the opprressed as opposed t the oppressors.

I am not ignorant of anything Gaelic but continue to laugh at anyone who maintains seriously that Celtic culture is alive and well. Irish are still very much a distinct group but not as Celts.

Racist: When have I ever said I was racist. Obviously you mistake Kahanism for racism. Most Kahani were, and many remain separatists but not along the lines of American segregationists or heaven forbid Afrikaners with Aparthied. Kahani believed , and some still do, that Israel should remain a Jewish nation and that non-Jews be allowed to stay as long as they acknoledge this. There is nothing wrong with that. Mind you, the UN said as much in its Mandate. Kahani do not believe however that non-Jews should ever be treated sub-par or even forced to reside in certain places,etc. For you to claim otherwise belies your unfamiliairty with the movement. Would you like some book titles to look into it?

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Glad to see you sniffing behind me all over the net, but let me desist on addressing that or I might follow you into the cyber gutter of ad homs. instead, why do you find my poast offencive? Is anything in it factually incorrect? If so, challenge my facts, not my personality. Despite my having posted here, and there (as well as anyplace save illicit grud chemistry sites) under my actual name and personal infor., you have never bothered to try and know me as a person. You latch onto mundane and inconsequential matters and try to tar me. Very telling indeed.

Nitpicking? See, it does not suprise me that you would find accuracy threatning. I happen to believe that in order to BEGIN understanding a situation,person, or place you need ACCURATE info. If you cannot even intelligently explain an organisation's name, how can you expect to ever understand their ideology. If not understanding ideology, how to begin understanding their actions?

Now you question my love for Israel? Nino, why not stick to facts. My wife, a Jewish convert, is native here. Her family with whome we live is native here and so on. think it quite understandbale. As for Cambodia, we Israelis tend to go to such places whenever we finish a stint in the army. Going there agin in a week or two, was supposed to be there now but soemthing came up. Aside from Antarctica and Australia, I have been to all continents. You find this threatening as well.

 

[nino_savatte]

Bernie: if life is sweet, and indeed I pray you find it so, why do you wate yours trying to disparage me? Simply confront factrs and provide your own, much better use of all time here.

You are seriously arguiong against British Imperialism and Nino, good job. What sources do you need? How England invaded both and enslaved its people? Or is just a source showing you that both were and remain distinct and apart from th eAnglo majorities?

As for defending people, as a Jew and as an Israeli, I tend to lean towards supporting the opprressed as opposed t the oppressors.

I am not ignorant of anything Gaelic but continue to laugh at anyone who maintains seriously that Celtic culture is alive and well. Irish are still very much a distinct group but not as Celts.

Racist: When have I ever said I was racist. Obviously you mistake Kahanism for racism. Most Kahani were, and many remain separatists but not along the lines of American segregationists or heaven forbid Afrikaners with Aparthied. Kahani believed , and some still do, that Israel should remain a Jewish nation and that non-Jews be allowed to stay as long as they acknoledge this. There is nothing wrong with that. Mind you, the UN said as much in its Mandate. Kahani do not believe however that non-Jews should ever be treated sub-par or even forced to reside in certain places,etc. For you to claim otherwise belies your unfamiliairty with the movement. Would you like some book titles to look into it?

You don't have to "say" that you're a racist. It's obvious from what you post here that you're a racist.

You not only show your racism in large measure, you have the affrontery to make ignorant comments such as this in order to promote your ethnic and cultural superiority over other groups - as you have here.

I am not ignorant of anything Gaelic but continue to laugh at anyone who maintains seriously that Celtic culture is alive and well. Irish are still very much a distinct group but not as Celts.

Your knowledge of Celts; whether they be Irish, Scottish or Breton is woefully ignorant.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Glad to see you sniffing behind me all over the net, but let me desist on addressing that or I might follow you into the cyber gutter of ad homs. instead, why do you find my poast offencive? Is anything in it factually incorrect? If so, challenge my facts, not my personality. Despite my having posted here, and there (as well as anyplace save illicit grud chemistry sites) under my actual name and personal infor., you have never bothered to try and know me as a person. You latch onto mundane and inconsequential matters and try to tar me. Very telling indeed.

Nitpicking? See, it does not suprise me that you would find accuracy threatning. I happen to believe that in order to BEGIN understanding a situation,person, or place you need ACCURATE info. If you cannot even intelligently explain an organisation's name, how can you expect to ever understand their ideology. If not understanding ideology, how to begin understanding their actions?

Now you question my love for Israel? Nino, why not stick to facts. My wife, a Jewish convert, is native here. Her family with whome we live is native here and so on. think it quite understandbale. As for Cambodia, we Israelis tend to go to such places whenever we finish a stint in the army. Going there agin in a week or two, was supposed to be there now but soemthing came up. Aside from Antarctica and Australia, I have been to all continents. You find this threatening as well.

If you aren't lying or spreading disinformation, you're posting shitty screeds like this.

why not stick to facts

What? Like you do? You wouldn't know a fact if it came up and kicked you in the balls.

challenge my facts,

Kiss my arse.

 

[nino_savatte]

Fuchs: Irgun only existed prior to Israeli statehood and was never an official anything. Most Jews turned in Irgun members, and yet, Irgun only attacked valid military targets.

Nino: Regardless of the Hezbollah (Hiz spelling is Saudi dialect, neither Hez nor us use that dialect in Arabic so it is worthless Nino) social welfare network, they aim for completel destruction of another SOVEREIGN state. Additionally, they use caluclated violence against non-combtants so that these two last things make them clearly, a terrorist organisation.

A couple of things, first, many former Irgun members later became high-ranking Israeli politicians. Perhaps you're familiar with Menachem Begin? Their ideas are still in circulation and form the current political mainstream.

I don't really care what you think of the way I spelled Hizb' Allah. You're trying to cover for your lies by nitpicking. Pathetic.

 

[Aldebaran]

Nino: Regardless of the Hezbollah (Hiz spelling is Saudi dialect, neither Hez nor us use that dialect in Arabic so it is worthless Nino)

Hezbollah is dialectal form of hizb'allah.
Hizb - from the root حزب - in its meaning of (political) party, has nothing to do with "Saudi dialect" but with being Arabic "as is". "hezb" (let alone "olla") as such grammatically doesn't exist. Before you try to give "classes" you better study the language, no?

Which is where my contribution to this Rachamim C&P nonsense thread ends.

salaam.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Well, here we go again. From this point onward, if you do not speak in terms of date or facts, we will not be talking.

Now, as for the single fact, expressed in a single sentence, out of 3 posts directed towards me...Menachem Begin. True, he, Shamir, and others did belong to a terorist organisation, However, they never targetted non-combatants. The worst event attributed to any of them is the Kind David and that was the ofocial Brit HQ! This however doe snot negate thier organisation's actions in my mind and inf act, in mot Jews' minds. in fact, even when they were active, they were turned in by fellow Jews , even for execution. It is not our way, nor ever has been. The closest we ever came to the Arab mindframe was trhe Sicarii offshoot fo the Zealots. Sicarii would only kill apostate Jews, and then only men of age, never women and children, or even men outside of military age.

When Israel reentered staehood, Irgun and others were brought intot he fold, much as political entities of today (PA comes into mind) try to do with disaprate factions. Without unity statehood will collpase. Today though, we have th stictest Hate Law of any nation in existence. Over 489 Israeli Jews sit in prison for crimes as mundane as writing a school paper on why Arabs whould be forcibly (if neccessary) transferred out of the Greenline. Finally, LIKUD is a bloc, not a party. LIKUD is still active, and in the running for the next nationals, but is not inclusive of ANY extremist elements. Both Begin and Shamir have moved onto eternity and are of no conseqeunce save for historical perspective.

I am a person whose first lanaguage is Arabic. No needf to school me Nino, just trying to make you more factual. in southern Leb., they speak the same exact dialect as i do, as "Palestinians" so, as well as most Jordanains. Niz is Saudi, a la Classical Arabic and is laughable to LEbanese, of whom Hez claims to represent so say what you will, will not be the first egg on you.


As I have had this exact conversation with you no less than 4 times to memory, I will for brevity's sake, cut ti short here. If you wish to talk with me, on any unrelated matter, do so via PM. If it is related to subjects here, talk to me with facts, and without ad homs, and we can talk all day.

 

[nino_savatte]

Stop derailing the thread, numbnuts. This thread doesn't exit for you to promote your extreme Zionist propaganda.

if you do not speak in terms of date or facts, we will not be talking.

You don't understand what a "fact" is, so you're talking out of your arse.

 

[Aldebaran]

I am a person whose first lanaguage is Arabic.

Fantasist.

Spoken dialects don't have a written form but as done by someone who has no clue about even the most basic grammar (and to assert MSA is Classical Arabic is just as laughable).

The only thing you prove is that you have not the slightest clue.

salaam

 

[rachamim18]

Aldebaran: So, transliteration is now fantasy? Seems like you ned tot ake that up with both Nasrallah and Obeid, both of whom agree wth me. If you render it in Classical, you lose iodiomatic value but then one would think, clamin to be an Arabic speaker as you do, you would be quite aware of this...but then it would negate your chance to toss insults, right?

If I recall you are Egyptian? You need to worry about how Arabic steamrolled your entire language and culture before telling me about mine and those around me.


I love this site. So many adults flinging ad homs in place of true dialog. So typical, so sad. If you or anyone else is so sure of their feelings, why the need to negate those of others...but wait, is that no so typically Egyptian! If i even talked loosely of what kind of torture your govt. offers to those who engage in dissent, I would be banned for graphic language I imagine so I guess your ad homs are pretty tame overall.

 

[Aldebaran]

Aldebaran: So, transliteration is now fantasy? Seems like you ned tot ake that up with both Nasrallah and Obeid, both of whom agree wth me. If you render it in Classical, you lose iodiomatic value but then one would think, clamin to be an Arabic speaker as you do, you would be quite aware of this...but then it would negate your chance to toss insults, right?

No, it isn't about (wrong) translitteration.
I say you have no clue about grammar if you claim that the dialectal form is the correct way to write it. No matter how anyone pronounces the dialectal, grammatically that does not exist. The written form does not exist but the way I say it does. In addition: MSA is not Saudi dialect let alone Classical Arabic. Acting like you do, you wouldn't get through the most basic examination of vocalized Arabic writing.

If I recall you are Egyptian?

No I am not. (I never posted here what my nationality is either and shall never do so).

If you would abandon your silly one-sided historically incorrect zionist coloured c&p postings, maybe we would have an interesting discussion one day.
So far I have seen nothing that points into the direction of that being a remote possibility.

salaam.

 

[rachamim18]

Right, i have no clue, but then you need to say the same about Obeid and Nasrallah and funny, uoi kepy shut on that one.

Actually, you did post on your nationality but in Mid-East Forum and I do not go to that forum even in Archived form which I am not sure even exists, but no matter. Hie behind cyber anonymitty as you hurl passing ad homs. Your integrity, not mine.

As for interesting discussions, thanks for the offer but anoyone hurling ad homes with one hand and then wishing Salaam with the other is not one i care to really dig deep about, save for pointed comments in relation to subjects I am interested in.

 

[Aldebaran]

Right, i have no clue, but then you need to say the same about Obeid and Nasrallah and funny, uoi kepy shut on that one.

I'm not the slightest interested.

Actually, you did post on your nationality but in Mid-East Forum and I do not go to that forum even in Archived form which I am not sure even exists, but no matter.

No I most certainly did not. I posted a few times that my mother was European though.

Hie behind cyber anonymitty as you hurl passing ad homs. Your integrity, not mine.

My integrity as a linguist made me correct you, disturbing your attempt to patronising derail a discussion you had with an other poster. Which of course is why you take it as "ad hominum".

As for interesting discussions, thanks for the offer but anoyone hurling ad homes with one hand and then wishing Salaam with the other is not one i care to really dig deep about, save for pointed comments in relation to subjects I am interested in.

Since your only interest seems to be to sell weird versions of reality to a public that knows better, there isn't much interesting to discuss for me. As you surely shall understand

salaam.

 

[rachamim18]

A linguist now? not what you aid before but then Chomsky is a linguist so I can understand the retentiveness about things you have not mastered. Tell me, have your lingusitic studies taken you to our part of the world?

iIwill be the first to admit that i am not trained in Arabic, nor any other langauge save English, French, and Hebrew. I just speak it as my mother tongue, like Nasrallah, etc.

Weird versions of rality that you still have not countred with facts.hmmm..anyway, if you have facts to add, please do, if you wish to continue personal things, PM me.

 

[Aldebaran]

A linguist now? not what you aid before but then Chomsky is a linguist so I can understand the retentiveness about things you have not mastered. Tell me, have your lingusitic studies taken you to our part of the world?

I have no idea about Chomsky, heard the name but never read anything on or of him.
Which "part of the world" do you refer to?

iIwill be the first to admit that i am not trained in Arabic, nor any other langauge save English, French, and Hebrew. I just speak it as my mother tongue, like Nasrallah, etc.

You speak your dialect, like everyone does. That doesn't make the spoken word gramatically existing or correct.

Weird versions of rality that you still have not countred with facts.hmmm..anyway, if you have facts to add, please do

Well, I seldom participate any discussions about Palestine/Israel for reason that although I am historian, it is not my field and secondly it is always tricky to take an academically responsible position on an issue that enfolds itself as we speak.
You shall hence understand that I would not see any reason to make such an effort when one side (you mostly) is that focussed on bringing his version that whatever anyone else brings on to refute it passes by as if it wasn't said.

By the way: I do not send the type of silly PM's you seem to take for normal.

salaam.

 

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[Aldebaran]

Yes TAE, we know you think that is something important to advertise.

salaam.

 

[rachamim18]

My home is in Israel, but meant Lebanon or Israel...although my current part is the Philippines.

In relation to dialect, is it not true that the words Hezb Allah, when used in contraction, and transliterated according to so called "Palestinian" AND Southern Lebanese Arabic dialect , phonetically (transliterated) should read "Hezbollah?"

The word Hezb is iniated with a karsa, so that there is no literal transliteration and ergo, it must be had phonetically, yes? Therefore, the difference of Hezb, or Hizb is depending on transliteration of dialect, which of course when phonetically rendered is just so. In fact, were you to use Hizb, it would then folow that one should also use Ullah, as in Hizbullah. To use Hzibollah is non-sensical, no?


Silly PMs? Anything off subject is personal by nature and thus deserving of it. It respects eveyone else in the forum.

 

[TAE]

It does look funny.

 

[Aldebaran]

In relation to dialect, is it not true that the words Hezb Allah, when used in contraction, and transliterated according to so called "Palestinian" AND Southern Lebanese Arabic dialect , phonetically (transliterated) should read "Hezbollah?"

Phonetically it is useable but the point is that you said it is the correct writing (etc... see former posts).

The word Hezb is iniated with a karsa, so that there is no literal transliteration and ergo, it must be had phonetically, yes?

No, the - grammatical - point is that the kasra indicates that the consonant or hamza carries the vowel translitterated as i .

In fact, were you to use Hizb, it would then folow that one should also use Ullah, as in Hizbullah. To use Hzibollah is non-sensical, no?

I wouldn't say "non sensical" but have the "u" sound to follow.
Dialect varies but the grammar rules of MSA do not bend to dialect. It would be interesting to watch such confusion enfold, but it isn't something I would like to document.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Silly PMs? Anything off subject is personal by nature and thus deserving of it. It respects eveyone else in the forum.

My apologies, I was a bit sharp there. I have some bad experiences with some PM's.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

It does look funny.

You can't read this.

makes the perpetual child in me tempted...

salaam.

 

[nino_savatte]

My home is in Israel, but meant Lebanon or Israel...although my current part is the Philippines.

In relation to dialect, is it not true that the words Hezb Allah, when used in contraction, and transliterated according to so called "Palestinian" AND Southern Lebanese Arabic dialect , phonetically (transliterated) should read "Hezbollah?"

The word Hezb is iniated with a karsa, so that there is no literal transliteration and ergo, it must be had phonetically, yes? Therefore, the difference of Hezb, or Hizb is depending on transliteration of dialect, which of course when phonetically rendered is just so. In fact, were you to use Hizb, it would then folow that one should also use Ullah, as in Hizbullah. To use Hzibollah is non-sensical, no?


Silly PMs? Anything off subject is personal by nature and thus deserving of it. It respects eveyone else in the forum.

Vraiment?

 

[rachamim18]

Aldebaran: To be clear, there is no standard form of transliteration, for any language, especially an alphabet not based on Latin characters into an alphabet that utilises Latin charcters so...However, given that the people who created and run the roganisation in question have always maintained the given spelling in English, I feel it is correct to use "Hezbollah." To be fair though, it really should not be an issue because either way all should know what is being discussed. It just grates on my nerves for some reason, paticularly because of the person inisiting on the spelling,etc.

The karsa is not rendered in any English form so how could you think it meant "i" in this case? The issue would be localised pronounciation and common transliteration,yes?

About unfolding, yeah, even I am not that anal about things.

Listen, no apology neded. I value civility probably above all else online and see you are civil.

 

[nino_savatte]

I value civility probably above all else online

Sure you do.