Peet said:
Barking,
I'm quite sure you will beleive what you want to beleive but it doesn't change the fact that confidence or not, the government of Iraq has a democratic mandate.
It's not what about I believe but what the Iraqi people believe and most believe the US is running their country, not the Iraqi government. How can any Iraqi have faith in a government that is seen as primarily a US puppet?
It has asked allied forces to stay. Democracy cannot function without security and that is what we are doing there.
What security? What democracy? For 4 years the levels of violence have increased significantly. Everything has failed, so im not sure how you can say in all seriousness, "this is what we are doing there", because clearly you aren't.
Despite the treasonable ineptitude of our media the situation shows promise and our strategy and tactics are developing to meet the challenge.
"Treasonable"? Really, you should try reading the internet and the daily reports about violence in Iraq that don't make it to our TV screens or papers. Last week 200 Sunni insurgents
attacked a base in Mosul did you hear about that? or in
Samarra where the US sealed off the city and cut electricity supplies leaving people without food or water.
Abu Mahmoud says an 11-day curfew in the Iraqi city of Samarra has pushed his family's survival skills to the limit as supplies of food, medicine and fuel dwindle alarmingly.
"There is no electricity, no water, no schools and no hospitals. Samarra has turned into a city for the dead," the 65-year-old father of three said.
Since U.S. and Iraqi forces imposed a curfew and sealed off the city following a suicide bomb attack that killed 12 police officers on May 6, residents are struggling to find basic goods.
The curfew has been eased since. But many residents said ways in to the city were still blocked.
Some shops have closed, a doctor in the main hospital said patients were dying because of a lack of fuel for generators and people were using wooden boats in the Tigris river to ferry foodstuff and the wounded to a nearby town.
The bombing, which killed Samarra's police chief Abdul-Jelil al-Dulaimi, also damaged the city's power grid and main water pipe, triggering electricity and water shortages.
The troops increase ('surge' is yet another pointless buzz word) has failed. The media are only reflecting a small portion of the reality inside Iraq yet for you this is too much? Exactly how would you like them to portray a country which it was recently said might be declared a
failed state?
No democracy has reached stablity in less than ten years and it is unreasonable to expect results in less than four years, especially when trying too keep a lid on a civil war, which, while we may have facilitated, we did not start.
You as a supporter of the war share the blame because either you didnt listen to people before the war, didnt believe them or chose to ignore them regardless.
Saddam was going one way or another and so it follows that this war would have occurred anyway. The outcomes of which would be ultimately more grotesque we the US or an international force not there to stop it eruptiong in the scale it could.
See answers on previous post.......
A US force is preferable because it has a mandate from the UN and the Iraqi government for the occupation and has the neccessary teeth to do that which the UN has failed to do in the past which has cost so many lives.
It was US led UN sanctions in Iraq that led to the deaths of 500,000 children in Iraq and led two UN officials overseeing the project to resign citing a form of genocide against the Iraqi people. Hardly toothless.
Whatever your opinions on the rights and wrongsgs of the invasion you must understand we are where we are and that it is better this way than the alternative which is likely a wholesale slaughter resulting in an Islamic theocracy under the control of a nuclear armed Iran. If that is not a recipe for yet more mass graves in the middle east then I am unsure what is.
WMD, stopping and Islamic theocracy, regime change, freedom, democracy, nuclear bombs, terrorism, al-qaeda - its one reason after another.
What allied forces do in containing terrorism matters every bit.
On a long enough timescale there is every chance of Iraq becoming a secular and successful democracy.
Should it fail, you are right, I will blame the sensationalist, self-righteous media who have created the narrative of failure which will ultimately result in the withdrawal of the one force that can make a difference.
The media don't design the policies, they dont decide on troop movements, who to bomb, who not to bomb, they didn't disband the Iraqi army, they didnt torture people in Abu Ghraib, they didn't raise Fallujah to the ground, they don't seal off cities and cut electricity, they don't waste billions of dollars of taxpayers money on shoddy and failed reconstruction projects, they don't raid houses and take people away in the middle of the night and keep them in jail without charge, they don't fail to provide electricity and clean water, they don't create a situation where Iraqi child mortality has gone through the roof and where hundreds of thousands are missing mothers, fathers, relatives - the list goes on and on, yet you believe this is the media's fault........
Given your view you should be thankful the media hasn't been as dilligent in its overall reporting of Iraq as it should have been. Or maybe you'd prefer all the bad new blacked out so we can concentrate on the 'positives'?
