URGENT Southall Black Sisters threatened with closure

[detective-boy]

I find your come back a little bit snivelling frankly. I went to the initial picket back in February I believe and you and your piggy friends were there protecting the bureaucrats who were obviously doing the dirty on these people who DO KNOW what community is all about and not the crap you people dish out and these people had to fight to carry on going. Coming on here putting up your pro-multicultural message of support is frankly shallow considering the shower of shit you work for.

I find you fucking pathetic, frankly ... how the fuck you expect to gain respect from anyone outside your little world of sycophants when you feel so capable of jumping to conclusions about someone's intentions and veracity and slagging off what was a totally genuine post, I do not know.

1. I am not a police officer. I haven't been since 2002.
2. I wasn't there "protecting the bureaucrats" in February. Either post the "evidence" you have for your statement that I was, or withdraw it you lying prick.
3. Fuck off.

 

[The Black Hand]

It is nice to know that you love me so dearly. I have said that I do not attack the police on all occasions, nobody does, if they did they WOULD be in prison - of that there is no doubt. But in a conflict situation, I, and George Orwell know which side we are on.

The current police are an historical mish mash - older reactionary right views, and a newer PC (sic) breed of those with degrees. Part of the Police problem was that they never had the equivalent of Sandhurst for the army, and that is why their PR and policy were always so bad (although they HAVE caught up somewhat today). The historical reason why the police behave thuggishly to working class struggles will never go away however, that is not to say that police practice and policy in all issues has never changed.

The revolution in police practice over the past 24 years is similar to the Enlightenment, bringing the police from feudalism towards more democratic practice. Which is ironic as avenues of democracy elsewhere have been closed down. However, this is a reflection of the capitalist state's attempt to get through the legitimacy crises and to do that they knew, and know, that the rule of law and its enforcement is essential for hegemonic purposes. In other words they had to create a police force capable of policing the new globalised times we are in.

No comment dibble?

 

[snowy_again]

The drive for 'generic' services has been silly lately, ACF lobbied some silly Home Office jobbie who wanted to prevent or hinder funding to any single gender / ethnicity / race organisation on the grounds that in their mind it hindered overall sectoral development, whilst not recognising the particular needs of one community may be more acute.

Not surprised that SBS won, all too politically embarrassing for the council. I do wish SBS would spend some time and money sorting out their own capacity needs though, as they've failed to do that over the last couple of years.

 

[detective-boy]

No comment dibble?

Not really. It was a statement of a political view and this is not a thread about the purpose / set up of the police.

 

[detective-boy]

The drive for 'generic' services has been silly lately, ACF lobbied some silly Home Office jobbie who wanted to prevent or hinder funding to any single gender / ethnicity / race organisation on the grounds that in their mind it hindered overall sectoral development, whilst not recognising the particular needs of one community may be more acute.

Somewhat bizarrely, really. Seeing as good diversity understanding makes it plain that treating everyone the same is NOT the aim of a good public service - treating everyone according to their (differing) needs IS. It is equality of outcome which matters, not equality of input.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

This is something i've raised before though, about the seeming advances in equalities legislation actually undermining any kind of specialist provision because everyone is supposed to be treated equally and therefore, approaches that hone in on particular areas or issues are disregarded or disencouraged, which isn't always a good thing. Generic provision of services that aim to meet the needs of everyone are all well and good as far as they go, but as can be seen with SBS and many other similar organisations, there is also a need for complementary service provision that is dedicated and specialist in what they do.

 

[snowy_again]

Blimey an ex copper with an understanding of outcome frameworks!
I'm honestly happy that the funding decision's been reversed, as I've also seen them do lots of good work.

 

[detective-boy]

Blimey an ex copper with an understanding of outcome frameworks!

Despite what a number of posters on here think (and despite what you may think based on my ... er ... less than intellectual ... er ... debating style ...) I do actually know some stuff. You don't get three and a half degrees without doing ... What I am keen to develop is ways of mainstreaming that stuff, making it part of the "day job" for people who don't spend their entire lives worrying about the niceties of social science.

 

[The Black Hand]

Not really. It was a statement of a political view and this is not a thread about the purpose / set up of the police.

DOh! Yes, a long term analysis of the police and change, within which your post about SBS & police practice could be situated.

 

[october_lost]

I find you fucking pathetic, frankly ... how the fuck you expect to gain respect from anyone outside your little world of sycophants when you feel so capable of jumping to conclusions about someone's intentions and veracity and slagging off what was a totally genuine post, I do not know.

I think you mean partisan rather than sycophant, your mistake is assuming Im trying to appeal to someone, rather than recognising this is something ordinary people need and its defence takes precedence over cosying with the channels you travel in.

Otherwise you were trying to give a liberal gloss over for the mistakes of the council and authories for what is an obvious attack on an important resource used by minority women.

 

[Nigel]

Good news.

I hadn't heard of the funding issue previously or I would have written in support. The simplistic attitude of the council fails to recognise huge differences in domestic abuse patterns and issues within different communities and the inherent difficulties in dealing with any violence within relationships. Whilst generic services accessible for all sounds OK, there are some circumstances (and this is one I think) in which it does NOT result in all people receiving an equitable service.

Southall Black Sisters have been critical of the police on numerous occasions - usually with good reason - but when I was investigating a domesticaly motivated murder within the Sikh community I found their help invaluable. I do not think a generic domestic abuse service could possibly have achieved the same thing.

* Waits for Attica to find some way of totally twisting the meaning of the post to prove ACAB ... *

You were involved in the Ahluwalia case D.B.?
Penny For Your Thoughts?

 

[Nigel]

Women Who Killll

Coincidentally, this article in The Times today!!!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4425830.ece

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Coincidentally, this article in The Times today!!!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4425830.ece

And your point is caller?

Care to share slightly more about the link between this thread and your link, words of multi-syllable welcome?

Nu-Lab deputy leader, who isn't sniffing for the leadership oh no, proposes some change to the law that maybe appeals to her 'female' constituency, whilst an effective and worthwhile organisation succeeds in securing funding to continue its operations. You need to do a bit more than that, Nigel, to build an argument.

 

[Nigel]

And your point is caller?

Care to share slightly more about the link between this thread and your link, words of multi-syllable welcome?

Nu-Lab deputy leader, who isn't sniffing for the leadership oh no, proposes some change to the law that maybe appeals to her 'female' constituency, whilst an effective and worthwhile organisation succeeds in securing funding to continue its operations. You need to do a bit more than that, Nigel, to build an argument.

I didn't think that I was building an argument?
Haven't really read up on this enough recently, but did do an module on this specific subject, about 8 years ago, and have association with the Sikh Community in this neck of the woods & people involved in support network for Ahluwalia, which D.B. seems to be implying he was involved with. Was interested on his thoughts, from a policeman involved in this case.
If I was, I would be supportive of this initiative, but be critical of certain groups(mainly elements within Radical Feminist Movement), who would Hijack the momentum created by this for their own opportunistic & destructive ends.