URGENT ADVICE re SUSPENDED JSA CLAIM!

[sheothebudworths]

say sorry to sheo, heo, sheo and heo jnr and we'll forgive ya!

heh heh!


Ah fucking hell, it's alright....someone was bound to say it might as well have been him!
If he wants to make unhelpful, snide and most of all INCORRECT remarks, I'm not going to stop him.

I wouldn't have gone so nutty about it normally, but obviously I'm a bit fucking stressed today!

Hopefully ww can understand that, eh?


































The fucking knob!

 

[waterloowelshy]

heh heh!


Ah fucking hell, it's alright....someone was bound to say it might as well have been him!
If he wants to make unhelpful, snide and most of all INCORRECT remarks, I'm not going to stop him.

I wouldn't have gone so nutty about it normally, but obviously I'm a bit fucking stressed today!

Hopefully ww can understand that, eh?


































The fucking knob!

as i said before. what a charmer you are my dear.

 

[sheothebudworths]

there is nothing wrong with me. i am just trying to see it from both sides and was merely suggesting that there may have been reasons as to why they had taken such a hard line this time. is that ok with you?

And I am telling you that on this occasion, those reasons do not exist.


Ok with you?

















Hold up!!!!!





The job centre advisor....?


It was you wasn't it, ww?!?

 

[sheothebudworths]

as i said before. what a charmer you are my dear.

I'm not really in the mood to be charming, dear.

Soz an' that.

 

[_angel_]

Sorry angel - I got distracted - not currently, although I believe they're implementing that as we speak.

So at some point soon we will both have to claim, but as it stands, heo claims on behalf of both of us...and it's only he who has to be 'actively seeking work'.

Okidoke. I guess they will have to change it if they're going to be turfing lone parents onto JSA it's hardly fair I suppose for couples to only have one person to look for work, by their logic, not mine, I point out.

I am truly worried if I get turfed onto it I won't satisfy their jobseeking criteria as I have no childcare *or school* at the moment!!! And that'll be enough to stop paying us money.

Hope it's sorted out soon,

 

[waterloowelshy]

And I am telling you that on this occasion, those reasons do not exist.


Ok with you?

















Hold up!!!!!





The job centre advisor....?


It was you wasn't it, ww?!?

no it wasnt me. but its fair to assume that the advisor may well have been looking at your previous attendacne records when doing the claim this time around. i admit i dont know the facts, but in one breath you were complaining about having been refused this time, but in another breath admitted that you had previously not attended when you were supposed to and indicated with a smile that this was meant to be a joke.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Jesus.

 

[cesare]

Jesus.

Innit.

Hope you get it sorted out soon, btw (I know nothing about benefits so I is useless apart from fingers crossed for you shizzle).

 

[ddraig]

Jesus.

he got form, he no gonna get it, like, evah! . just have a peep at his frothing in the Welsh forum now and again and his ever so brilliant and insightful summation of me after noting a few of my posts, just brilliant

hope u get the cunts off yer back and at least one of em has to apologise to your face

 

[ymu]

no it wasnt me. but its fair to assume that the advisor may well have been looking at your previous attendacne records when doing the claim this time around. i admit i dont know the facts, but in one breath you were complaining about having been refused this time, but in another breath admitted that you had previously not attended when you were supposed to and indicated with a smile that this was meant to be a joke.

You have the reading comprehension of a gnat and far less humanity. Fuck off.

 

[waterloowelshy]

he got form, he no gonna get it, like, evah! . just have a peep at his frothing in the Welsh forum now and again and his ever so brilliant and insightful summation of me after noting a few of my posts, just brilliant

hope u get the cunts off yer back and at least one of em has to apologise to your face

but yet you continue to follow me around the boards.

 

[sheothebudworths]

but yet you continue to follow me around the boards.

ddraig is a friend of heo's irl, so I think you'll find he was just offering us support on this thread, NOT following you around!


He used to furnish the small boy with large quantities of sweets.


Ta for the good wishes everyone else - am going to fuck it off for today and then get back on the horse tomorrow and see if we can't sort ourselves out a crisis loan and also, establish whether housing benefit will continue paying for the duration, which is the biggest worry right now.

 

[Cobbles]

Ta for the good wishes everyone else - am going to fuck it off for today and then get back on the horse tomorrow and see if we can't sort ourselves out a crisis loan and also, establish whether housing benefit will continue paying for the duration, which is the biggest worry right now.

Goodness I presume that all that activity precludes looking for employment.......

 

[_angel_]

Goodness I presume that all that activity precludes looking for employment.......

Hard to look for a job if you have no money for phone credit/ bills, stamps, envelopes, bus-train fares, newspapers etc Never mind of course, something to eat.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Goodness I presume that all that activity precludes looking for employment.......

....well quite!

 

[waterloowelshy]

ddraig is a friend of heo's irl, so I think you'll find he was just offering us support on this thread, NOT following you around!

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I wouldnt be so sure. he likes to follow me around you see. im sure he has got a thing for me actually.

 

[sheothebudworths]

The roof over our heads is the most pressing concern....fussy of me, I know.

 

[sheothebudworths]

im sure he has got a thing for me actually.

I doubt it tbh.

 

[cesare]

I just thought of something. Maybe your local CAB could help to apply a bit of pressure? They normally have contacts across benefits agencies. Worth a try?

 

[Oswaldtwistle]

I just thought of something. Maybe your local CAB could help to apply a bit of pressure? They normally have contacts across benefits agencies. Worth a try?

Abosolutely. Mind you half the time I wonder how far the staff at the DSS (particularly frontline staff) actually understand the rules themselves. They are far from simple.

Chapter and verse on this appears to be the following PDF (takes ages to load unless you have broadband, but worth it),
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/dwp/dmg/consolid/vol06.pdf

and pages 465 onwards( chapters 34-35) give the lowdown on sanctions and hardship. You badly need to find out the actual charge, so you can begin to prepare a defence. Failure to bring a shitty bit of paper to the JC certainly isn't listed.

You will see on page 722 (example 2) a case very similar to yours as regards hardship payments- so if asked if you have any food in the house the correct answer is 'no'.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Abosolutely. Mind you half the time I wonder how far the staff at the DSS (particularly frontline staff) actually understand the rules themselves. They are far from simple.

Probably very little. By the time I left they were throwing new staff onto reception when you had previously had to acquire a lot of experience before working there. This was 1993, God knows what it's like now.

 

[beeboo]

I don't know the first thing about benefits but this sounds like a nightmare and hope you manage to get something sorted out.

*crosses fingers*

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Right - new question!


Is there no rule in these circumstances that the benefits officer making the decision to turn your claim over for suspension, should also inform you of all your alternative options...and not just the single one he did make, which was to apply for a crisis loan*?


I want to complain about this man!
I think what he's done (or rather what he hasn't done) is inexcusable. .

So far as I'm aware, the benefits system changed sometime in the 1980s. They used to be under an obligation to let you know what you were entitled to. No longer. They now only have to process claims that you make, without being obliged to tell you what claim to make, so you either have to be psychic or get yourself along to a voluntary sector advice centre, Law Centre or CAB or the like, to do a benefits check, and they'll be able to tell you your entitlement.

I found this out when I reclaimed housing benefit after a year, and because I couldn't write the forms due to a buggered up wrist, I went along to the town hall advice centre, to get them to fill it out for me. When they asked me the questions about my income, they said something like "that all? that's not right, you should be getting more than that" and they checked their book and yup, I was underpaid in the region of 2k over the course of a year by the DWP.

That's when I found out that pottering along to the DWP and being open and honest with them and telling them all your details -- and expecting them to tell you about your entitlements in return -- well, it doesn't work like that.

 

[dodgepot]

haven't got any practical advice, but i hope you get things sorted out aunty sheo

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Jim Murphy, when he was Minister for Employment and Welfare Reform, recently stated in Parliament that JC+ stuff should not be expected to deliver advice on the welfare benefits system, which i thought was quite astounding. They are tasked with administering the bleeding system, why shouldn't the government make sure that the staff that they employ understand the welfare system, through proper training and so on? It's like going you go to a bank and after you pay a cheque in, you ask about a standing order and they look at you blankly and reply 'the computer says no'. Let alone when the staff make arbitary decisions, driven by ridiculous 'benchmarks' or 'standard guidelines' i.e 'targets'. Which, tbf, sounds a possibility rather sadly.

Although considering the shit pay and shit conditions that dwp clerks work under, it's maybe not completely surprising to see random decisions. Sheo, I'm certain that you can challenge this decision to ensure you don't get penalised financially but you will almost certainly have to cope with an interruption of money - if they piss about with a crisis loan, the local authority do have certain duties under their responsibilities towards kids, but it's like the devil and the deep blue sea almost.

But you can sort it out I'm sure, let us know how you get on tomorrow or afterwards. The housing benefit/council tax benefit is a bit of a pain in the arse - you might want to consider speaking to them to ask what they advise. Some local authorities will be reasonable and simply carry things on, others might insist on a new claim for your 'new' circumstances. I could also be a bit more precise about legal grounds then probably

 

[waterloowelshy]

I doubt it tbh.

no really i think he does. he just cant seem to leve me alone. ever.

 

[the button]

'targets'. Which, tbf, sounds a possibility rather sadly.

When I worked in a JobCentre, we did indeed have personal targets for submitting claims to adjudication for claimants to get their money stopped. I left in 1998 (bloody hell, nearly 10 years ago. I am teh old ), but I can't imagine that this will have changed. I was a single man without much in the way of living expenses at the time, so I could take a "principled stand" & refuse to meet my performance targets in that area, but -- since we were on performance-related pay -- not everyone felt able to do that.

I don't feel able to qualified to offer benefit advice cos -- even though JSA was in place when I was working there -- no doubt the regs will have changed lots as a result of (among other things) the New Deal. Having been on the other side of the counter (as it were), however, I would say that one approach which was often effective was to turn up at the JobCentre with partner & kids, and pretty much not leave until something is sorted out.

Sheo's been doing a lot of phoning around, and that ain't cheap. Also, there's the issue of knowing the right people to be phoning. If heo was to turn up in the JC with the entire sheo/heo nation in tow, that would put pressure on the JC staff to do the phoning around & get something sorted out.

It's unfortunate, but it's (to coin a phrase) the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. I'm not saying go in & kick off (not that you would), just go in & be a bit of an inconvenience. As I say, this is an approach that I saw work, when I was on the other side of the counter.

 

[waterloowelshy]

You have the reading comprehension of a gnat and far less humanity. Fuck off.

please do feel free to qualify my reading comprehension of a gnat. there were a couple of posts from sheo where she made a joke out of having missed appointments in the past and also making light of the fact that heo had not produced the required documentation at the meeting when jsa was refused. it is therefore perfectly understandable to question whether these actions had any bearing on the decision to stop the allowances. so to question my comprehension is somewhat puzzling. though im guessing you are just puzzled that i am not agreeing with everyones outrage.

and for the record i never at any stage expressed any feelings about sheo. i was merely questioning the reasoning behind why this situation may have arisen. thanks for telling me to fuck off though. it was much appreciated.

 

[madzone]

My son is having an absolute hell of a time trying to get JSA. They're really properly messing him around and the bloke on reception at the JC was so aggressive I asked for a complaits form. Trouble is it's just so fucking complicated and confusing that it sucks the will to fight it right out of you

Good luck sheo

 

[ymu]

please do feel free to qualify my reading comprehension of a gnat. there were a couple of posts from sheo where she made a joke out of having missed appointments in the past and also making light of the fact that heo had not produced the required documentation at the meeting when jsa was refused. it is therefore perfectly understandable to question whether these actions had any bearing on the decision to stop the allowances. so to question my comprehension is somewhat puzzling. though im guessing you are just puzzled that i am not agreeing with everyones outrage.

This is an inaccurate summary of sheo's posts which you keep repeating despite having been told it's inaccurate. If you're too lazy to go back and work out where you went wrong at least have the courtsey to leave this thread alone.