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URGENT ADVICE re SUSPENDED JSA CLAIM!

Cheers Oswald - that's magic :cool: and I appreciate you taking the time to look - will definitely have a good look at that once the letter comes!


chymera - I think you've misinterpreted nino's comment... ;)





nino - innit! :D


'What do you mean you left your pissy bit of paper, which is really not much proof of anything at all, at home? :mad: Well....rules is rules I'm afraid!* Off with your head! :cool: '...LOL








*even when they're made up rules, apparently.



Just remembered....this is going to fuck the housing benefit up too....<sigh>
 
Oswaldtwistle said:
oh and one or two tellies on the recycle forum as well- loadsa folks going digital right now .....
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Yeah - have already very kindly been offered one but we're not nearby and don't have a car etc, so we've decided to be brave and see if we can manage going without for a couple of weeks at least! :cool: :eek: :D











If it's that unbearable we could easily swing borrowing one anyway I reckon.
 
This welfare to work and the forcing of the long-term sick into work is wrong, immoral and unethical. :mad: The French wouldn't stand for this shit and they have a much more generous welfare system. Here, the very thought of increasing benefits meets with opposition; much of it is socially Darwinistic in character. This isn't helped by the fact that telly reactionaries like Jeremy Kyle continue to present the unemployed as lazy filth who spend 'your' taxes on drink and drugs.
 
nino_savatte said:
This welfare to work and the forcing of the long-term sick into work is wrong, immoral and unethical. :mad: The French wouldn't stand for this shit and they have a much more generous welfare system. Here, the very thought of increasing benefits meets with opposition; much of it is socially Darwinistic in character. This isn't helped by the fact that telly reactionaries like Jeremy Kyle continue to present the unemployed as lazy filth who spend 'your' taxes on drink and drugs.
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Cutting off a family with children ffs it's Dickensian. :(
 
Right, they said he can't claim anything (except a crisis loan) until the suspension has been decided....and not for at least 2 weeks....which is absolutely NOT what I've read today...which is, that if you are classed as 'vulnerable' (and that includes having a child/children) you are entitled to claim immediately, although as I say, whether you're actually GRANTED a payment or not after that, seems entirely discretionary.

:mad:

Gonna get on the phone now.
 
sheothebudworths said:
Right, they said he can't claim anything (except a crisis loan) until the suspension has been decided....and not for at least 2 weeks....which is absolutely NOT what I've read today...which is, that if you are classed as 'vulnerable' (and that includes having a child/children) you are entitled to claim immediately, although as I say, whether you're actually GRANTED a payment or not after that, seems entirely discretionary.

:mad:

Gonna get on the phone now.
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Get your MP and local councillor onto the bastards. This really isn't right.
 
And what the fuck is this fucking in between bit called then, where you are absolutely not going to be paid, but if you are also not officially 'suspended' enough to be allowed to claim any alternative as if you were 'suspended' (iyswim)?
 
sheothebudworths said:
Yes! :D

We were actually going to be away for the signing day, so told them beforehand....honesty being the best policy and all that :D .......would have been better just to have called in sick on the day as it turned out (which is what we did the next time :p )!
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so you were away on one of the days and phoned in sick when not sick on one of the others and are moaning that they have been harsh with you this time round. right. :confused:
 
waterloowelshy said:
so you were away on one of the days and phoned in sick when not sick on one of the others and are moaning that they have been harsh with you this time round. right. :confused:
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Piss right off you fucking sad, patronizing little prick.
 
Benefits agency have said it's nothing to do with them...all to do with the job centre.

She said in her experience it takes anything up to three weeks to get a decision and all we can do is keep going into the job centre to try and get the decision hurried along as quickly as possible, in order to be able to make a claim for a hardship payment (at 60% of the usual rate), or, if that's refused, a crisis loan.

But that until we have a decision either way, there is nothing we can claim.

Housing benefit and council tax benefit will also be stopped if the claim is suspended (and possibly until it's decided - I don't know), for the duration of the suspension, although we may be able to make a separate claim for that due to being on 'a low income'....LOL.
 
sheothebudworths said:
That had fuck all to do with why it was refused.

Read the thread you dunce.
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it may have more bearing than you think. if the said officer was suspicious that you were fobbing him off on previous visits - i.e not turning up and calling in sick, then it may be understandable as to why they have become a little more stringent when applying the rules this time around. not saying they are right or wrong - but i would have thought that there is a possibility of it having influenced the said officer this time around.
 
waterloowelshy said:
it may have more bearing than you think. if the said officer was suspicious that you were fobbing him off on previous visits - i.e not turning up and calling in sick, then it may be understandable as to why they have become a little more stringent when applying the rules this time around. not saying they are right or wrong - but i would have thought that there is a possibility of it having influenced the said officer this time around.
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No, you're wrong.
 
i've literally just got off a train from cornwall and don't have relevant material to hand but iirc, some of what they're telling you is possibly correct (although it does seem very extreme on their part) whilst some of it is complete rubbish (anyone can make a claim for a crisis loan, that is why they exist). the counter staff can pass a case for a decision to the effect that someone hasn't made sufficient work-seeking efforts (altho like say, if its just a case of forgetting the relevant paperwork, that does seem fuckwitted to me -eta: i mean their decision sounds fuckwitted :)).

if you've got kids, i'm sure you should be able to get a hardship payment to tide you over the suspension and you can also challlenge the decision to suspend anyway. and like say above, definitely you can make a claim for a crisis loan.

the advice place you've been doesn't sound terribly helpful tbf. have you tried local alternative e.g. law centre, CABx for eg? the JC+ staff will often be much more revealing to someone calling on your behalf i'm afraid. as for complaining about bad, or lack of advice, i'm not certain on the face of what you've said that this is anything particularly out of the ordinary unfortunately. some of it may be down to sheer unhelpfulness, some a lack of training, some stupidity, who knows? main advice is to try to remain calm and polite with them, because that will always work in your favour. even when the staff are behaving like bastards and implementing a tortorously unfair system.

Good luck with it all :)
 
waterloowelshy said:
it may have more bearing than you think. if the said officer was suspicious that you were fobbing him off on previous visits - i.e not turning up and calling in sick, then it may be understandable as to why they have become a little more stringent when applying the rules this time around. not saying they are right or wrong - but i would have thought that there is a possibility of it having influenced the said officer this time around.
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Sometimes when people say they're sick, its because they're sick. If the Jobcentre bloke assumes that people who call in sick are skiving then he's not fucking well doing his job properly :mad:
 
SpookyFrank said:
Sometimes when people say they're sick, its because they're sick. If the Jobcentre bloke assumes that people who call in sick are skiving then he's not fucking well doing his job properly :mad:
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agreed. but not turning up and then phoning in sick may have alerted suspicions.
 
Cheers for that Paulie :) - it was actually someone at the bens agency I spoke to, not the job centre, so perhaps she didn't really know what she was talking about (she was very clear on the fact that it has bugger all to do with them - they just pay the money kind of thing....that it was the job centre we needed to keep up contact with).

When heo took the diary back down, he saw the same bloke who signed him on (or rather, didn't!), who photocopied it and said he'd forward it with the rest of the stuff, but also said he would still have made the same decision had he seen it, despite it fulfilling all the obligations of heo's agreement. :mad:

But on your advice, I'll try contacting the crisis loan helpline directly next then and see what they say....(if I ever get through).
 
_angel_ said:
Just a q sheo.. when it's a couple on JSA do *both* or just one of you have to pledge to be looking for work.
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Sorry angel - I got distracted :o - not currently, although I believe they're implementing that as we speak.

So at some point soon we will both have to claim, but as it stands, heo claims on behalf of both of us...and it's only he who has to be 'actively seeking work'.
 
bloody hell. sorry to read this sheo.

as usual i haven't got any good advice - but i really hope you can get some kind of loan!

waterlooshelly - wtf is wrong with you?? :rolleyes:
 
foo said:
bloody hell. sorry to read this sheo.

as usual i haven't got any good advice - but i really hope you can get some kind of loan!

waterlooshelly - wtf is wrong with you?? :rolleyes:
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there is nothing wrong with me. i am just trying to see it from both sides and was merely suggesting that there may have been reasons as to why they had taken such a hard line this time. is that ok with you?
 
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