Urban75 poker club?

[ymu]

Aye. The beautiful thing on the turn here is that they're both insuring me against the top end of the others range. If shortstack fish has the flush, then bigger stack can double me up back to a starting stack, and if bigger stack has the flush, shortstack's push is giving me the odds to call even if I know he has the nuts on the turn.

I think it's about 60/40 on Villain2 having the flush here, accounting for Villain1's much wider range pre and post flop.

I don't hate Villain2's play. It's very early an STT, so raising up KQs over limpers preflop is a risky business but it's too good to fold and he has OK position on at last 3 limpers with a hand that plays very well postflop and is probably going to take the pot on a K or Q flop. The limp behind pre is fine. On the flop he has the implied odds to call with a flush draw and two overs, especially with 4 other villains there to possibly pay off a third heart. Raising a draw has a different risk/reward in tournies than cash, so I think the flat call is fine, given the opponents in the hand. You can definitely argue that his reverse implied odds and ICM demand a fold on this flop in $EV terms, but I think he can afford to see one more card at least.

Once he hits the nuts on the turn, he is pot-committed whatever happens on the river and whatever either of his opponents does. 3bet AI on the turn would have been better, probably, as I am clearly pot-committed at this point but could get away if a fourth heart hit, but he's clearly worried about losing me - my turn check showed weakness, and there is a small chance that a random would fold the weaker end of his range to a push. The flat call is deceptive and makes it a lot more likely that I will call him on the river without improving. I think he might be mimicking a fish here, rather than actually being one.

 

[ymu]

I'm only starting to get my head around it after 4 or 5 days.

Seems to be very good.

Decent, innit.

It's also converted me to HUDs for tournaments. STTs anyway. I'm playing 6MAX so you can get a *lot* of information on screen.

This is what I'm using at the moment. I haven't got any colour coding on it, the colouring goes broadly from green means high numbers are good through amber, red, purple and blue for increasingly aggressive actions. Did it that way so I could easily work out which stat was which when I needed them.

1st line: number of hands/fold SB to steal/fold BB to steal/steal from SB/steal from BB/steal from CO/positional awareness
2nd line: VPIP/PFR/3bet/fold to 3bet/4bet/cold call/limp-fold/limp-call/limp-reraise/went to showdown
3rd line: fold to cbet/cbet flop/post-flop aggression/donkbet/raise donkbet/checkraise flop/cbet turn/steal raised pot on missed cbet in position/steal OOP/won $ at showdown

Takes a while for some of the numbers to be useful, but it's the regulars you need to watch out for. It's incredibly useful for spotting the ABC vs very good players quickly.

 

[ymu]

Ooh, sharkscope has me tagged as a shark.

Tiny sample size. Pressure's on to keep that and make sure the regs avoid me.

 

[DexterTCN]

I use (not for HU, only stt/mtt) hands: vpip: pfr: fold to steal: ( total steal from sb/b/co): M: bb:
flop cbet - fold to cbet - donk bet
total 3 bet - total check-raise - river bet - won$ at showdown

 

[ymu]

Why don't you use one for HU? Or do you use different stats HU?

I don't play HU tournies, but I do have the STT stats filtered for 2, 3 and 4-6 players. Quite useful for seeing who shifts gears in what direction on the bubble and after it bursts. It takes ages to get a good HU sample though, I tend to rely more on notes there.

 

[DexterTCN]

For HU I don't need M but I do need turn stats like (saw turn% when saw flop) and postflop agg.

I don't multi-table HU either, only stt/mtt multi-tabling, so I have pokerstove open and am constantly playing around with ranges and active session open on hem2 whilst I play someone.

river bet and W$SD link up very well once you have a decent amount of hands on them. River bet 20% and W$SD 80%+ is very nice to have on them, River bet 60% W$SD less than 40% is also nice to see.

If it was a cash game I think I'd need much more specific details because we'd be playing a lot deeper than any 2 player stt

 

[DexterTCN]

You should play at least a couple of hours HU up week for when the stt/mtt reaches that stage. imo

 

[ymu]

I play 6 MAX STTs with a 40% ITM, so about 10% of my hands are HU anyway. We're usually down to 30bbs or less on the table at that point, so it's really just a case of testing out their style if we're both still deep enough, adjusting to it, and then coinflipping when the blinds go up. I'm not sure how much getting practice playing HU deep would help at that stage of an STT. If I played more slow deepstack MTTs it probably would.

One of the problems with getting better at poker, or any specific sub-form of it, is that you cannot apply those skills blindly. You play a good player very differently from an average or bad player. I'm never sure how useful it really is to get HU experience against a HU specialist when very few of your opponents will be applying the same skills. Same with using STTs as practice for the final table of an MTT, really. Sure, it gives you experience of the table getting short-handed, but the actual play is quite different - both in terms of how deep you're likely to be, and how ICM affects decisions.

 

[DexterTCN]

http://www.pokernews.com/ has a radio show from pokerstars where they discuss hands and you can watch the hands on http://www.boomplayer.com

(not spamming, just poker specific and only of interest to a few)

 

[Citizen66]

Hows this for beginners luck?

I joined full tilt and sent in ten dollars. I played a $1 game against 90 people iirc and got to the last table and won. $17.10 thankyou very much.

The very next day full tilt went down and has been down ever since having had its license revoked so ive basically lost the money.

Full Tilt has come back online again - almost a year and a half later - so can now gamble away my earlier winnings. I even earned 8 cents interest! I think Poker Stars bought them out.