ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You are why I make money at poker. Leave this thread before you learn something.Yeah!
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ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
See Dexter, your problem is this.
He had one of four hands:
1. a slowplayed 5
2. a carefully played 4
3. an A
4. Ad suited
Ad suited (4) is the only hand you need to fold out, and it's vanishingly unlikely that he has it - he was not drawing to a flush on a double-paired board, but he might well realise that an A is quite likely winning at that point.
So there is no point in betting that river. You made the second nut flush on a double-paired board. He is only going to call you with a hand that beats you and he is only going to fold a hand that you beat anyway. Check behind.
Don't minraise. Don't play crap UTG. Learn to like money.
He had one of four hands:
1. a slowplayed 5
2. a carefully played 4
3. an A
4. Ad suited
Ad suited (4) is the only hand you need to fold out, and it's vanishingly unlikely that he has it - he was not drawing to a flush on a double-paired board, but he might well realise that an A is quite likely winning at that point.
So there is no point in betting that river. You made the second nut flush on a double-paired board. He is only going to call you with a hand that beats you and he is only going to fold a hand that you beat anyway. Check behind.
Don't minraise. Don't play crap UTG. Learn to like money.
heinous seamus
Perfect in an empty room
> gree posted small blind (10)
> leeh123 posted big blind (20)
> Game # 2,628,428,701 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards(9d Kd )
> DexterTCN raised for 20
> Lionclaw folded
> jamesmahon folded
> gree called for 30
> leeh123 called for 20
> Dealing the Flop(5c 4h 5d )
> gree checked
> leeh123 checked
> DexterTCN bet for 140
> gree called for 140
> leeh123 folded
> Dealing the Turn(4c )
> gree checked
> DexterTCN bet for 200
> gree called for 200
> Dealing the River(4d )
> gree checked
> DexterTCN bet for 800
> gree folded
> DexterTCN mucked
> DexterTCN wins 1,600
You mucked?
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
What I mean is...I can make the play 10 time and be wrong loads...but when I catch you you're fucked...this isn't a cash game, blinds go up every 10 hands and if you lose chips now...it hurts twice as much in 5 minutes when you can't bully. 40 chips now is a fuck load in 5 minutes when it puts someone out.
You assume it's your long game. This is turbo. You need balls for turbo...not maths.
Anyway I liked it.
Seamus...I was still playing him!!!!
You assume it's your long game. This is turbo. You need balls for turbo...not maths.
Anyway I liked it.
Seamus...I was still playing him!!!!
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See Dexter, your problem is this.
He had one of four hands:
1. a slowplayed 5
2. a carefully played 4
3. an A
4. Ad suited
Ad suited (4) is the only hand you need to fold out, and it's vanishingly unlikely that he has it - he was not drawing to a flush on a double-paired board, but he might well realise that an A is quite likely winning at that point.
So there is no point in betting that river. You made the second nut flush on a double-paired board. He is only going to call you with a hand that beats you and he is only going to fold a hand that you beat anyway. Check behind.
Don't minraise. Don't play crap UTG. Learn to like money.
The beauty of poker is that if you pay your money you can play it however you want, and you might just win.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Now that's poker baby
Sorry mate i didn't see this post...for some reason (grass) I totally missed it.
Yes!
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Yeah, you see the problem is, the one time in ten that you catch someone, you still have to go on to win the tournament, and the winnings will only be 3-4.5 times the buy-in (depending on the pay-out structure). You had to fork out 10 buy-ins to win 3 or 4. Big loss.What I mean is...I can make the play 10 time and be wrong loads...but when I catch you you're fucked...this isn't a cash game, blinds go up every 10 hands and if you lose chips now...it hurts twice as much in 5 minutes when you can't bully. 40 chips now is a fuck load in 5 minutes when it puts someone out.
You assume it's your long game. This is turbo. You need balls for turbo...not maths.
Anyway I liked it.
Seamus...I was still playing him!!!!
I play turbo sit-and-gos a lot. I built a bankroll of over £1000 from a starting point of £5 playing sit-and-gos. I spend a lot of time on poker forums discussing sit-and-gos with people who play them for a living. They are the only form of poker that has been mathematically solved - it can be played perfectly. I do know what I'm talking about.
You don't mess about playing poker in an STT. Early on, you play tight as and let other people bust out - if you get a chance to build your stack, take it, but don't chuck it away. When the blinds get high enough to be worth stealing, you steal and you resteal - mostly when checked to on the button and small blind because it's most likely to work then. When you get down to 10-12BB your only move is all-in preflop. Again, you pick your spots.
Unlike an MTT, in an STT you play primarily to make the money and then only do you play to win.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I keep having to withdraw my bankroll to solve financial crises, so no - I'm still only playing $20-30 tourneys, and I play for fun, not for a living.
They have been mathematically solved though. That's a checkable fact, if you want to doubt me. It is possible to play perfectly - although it is not possible to perform the calculations required in real time at the table, so you have to study to develop the right short-cuts and instincts. There's software out there that does the calcs for you these days (but still not possible to do in real time at the table).
MTTs are much more fun if you just want to throw chips around - you should play those like cash early on, and like an STT late (but the same calcs lead to much wilder play later on in an MTT - survival is not an issue when you can win hundreds of buy-ins with a win).
They have been mathematically solved though. That's a checkable fact, if you want to doubt me. It is possible to play perfectly - although it is not possible to perform the calculations required in real time at the table, so you have to study to develop the right short-cuts and instincts. There's software out there that does the calcs for you these days (but still not possible to do in real time at the table).
MTTs are much more fun if you just want to throw chips around - you should play those like cash early on, and like an STT late (but the same calcs lead to much wilder play later on in an MTT - survival is not an issue when you can win hundreds of buy-ins with a win).
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Like I said...if you'd solved them you're a billionaire.
One of us is right. All I was doing was posting a funny hand...you had to get up yourself.
Are you a billionaire? Coz I don't think so. Displaying you knowledge of odds is mere preening. Talking down to me...I'm gonna need to see your billionaire status.
Ok?
One of us is right. All I was doing was posting a funny hand...you had to get up yourself.
Are you a billionaire? Coz I don't think so. Displaying you knowledge of odds is mere preening. Talking down to me...I'm gonna need to see your billionaire status.
Ok?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Chill. And apologies for coming across like an arrogant twat (I'm good at that. 
)
This is a thread where we post hands and discuss them. I liked your flop bet, I liked your turn bet, but your river bet put your entire stack at risk for no possible gain - knowing when to value bet the river is a really important bit of poker, so it's worth commenting on and explaining the reasoning. That's the point of this thread.
Realising that it was 5-handed, I don't hate the UTG raise with K9s, but in a sit and go on level 1 it's not great. I'd raise KJs+, A9s+, 22+ there - and I might not bother with some of them with the blinds that low. It's risking too much for too little. Post-flop, playing like that in an STT is a losing strategy - but I don't really hate it, apart from the unnecessary bet on the river.
And the minraise.
)This is a thread where we post hands and discuss them. I liked your flop bet, I liked your turn bet, but your river bet put your entire stack at risk for no possible gain - knowing when to value bet the river is a really important bit of poker, so it's worth commenting on and explaining the reasoning. That's the point of this thread.
Realising that it was 5-handed, I don't hate the UTG raise with K9s, but in a sit and go on level 1 it's not great. I'd raise KJs+, A9s+, 22+ there - and I might not bother with some of them with the blinds that low. It's risking too much for too little. Post-flop, playing like that in an STT is a losing strategy - but I don't really hate it, apart from the unnecessary bet on the river.
And the minraise.
fractionMan
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this made me laugh
brucey007 ($133)
identifier ($155)
illfosho ($246)
ImBluffin420 ($101)
OneEyedWilli ($160)
Wtchm0n1970 ($34.25)
Lucky_Dog22 ($96.50)
Labtec7 ($96)
brucey007 posts (SB) $0.50
identifier posts (BB) $1
Dealt to identifier Ac Qc
fold, fold, fold,
Wtchm0n1970 raises to $3
Lucky_Dog22 calls $3
fold, fold,
identifier raises to $11.50
Wtchm0n1970 calls $8.50
Lucky_Dog22 calls $8.50
FLOP ($35) 3d 6d Jd
check, check, check,
TURN ($35) 3d 6d Jd 5s
check, check, check,
RIVER ($35) 3d 6d Jd 5s 9h
check,
Wtchm0n1970 bets $3
Lucky_Dog22 calls $3
identifier calls $3
identifier shows Ac Qc
(Flop 0.0%, Turn 0.0%)
Wtchm0n1970 shows Ad Kd
(Flop 100.0%, Turn 100.0%)
Wtchm0n1970 wins $42
brucey007 ($133)
identifier ($155)
illfosho ($246)
ImBluffin420 ($101)
OneEyedWilli ($160)
Wtchm0n1970 ($34.25)
Lucky_Dog22 ($96.50)
Labtec7 ($96)
brucey007 posts (SB) $0.50
identifier posts (BB) $1
Dealt to identifier Ac Qc
fold, fold, fold,
Wtchm0n1970 raises to $3
Lucky_Dog22 calls $3
fold, fold,
identifier raises to $11.50
Wtchm0n1970 calls $8.50
Lucky_Dog22 calls $8.50
FLOP ($35) 3d 6d Jd
check, check, check,
TURN ($35) 3d 6d Jd 5s
check, check, check,
RIVER ($35) 3d 6d Jd 5s 9h
check,
Wtchm0n1970 bets $3
Lucky_Dog22 calls $3
identifier calls $3
identifier shows Ac Qc
(Flop 0.0%, Turn 0.0%)
Wtchm0n1970 shows Ad Kd
(Flop 100.0%, Turn 100.0%)
Wtchm0n1970 wins $42
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I didn't say I have solved them - I said they have been mathematically solved.
The skill is in correctly applying that solution over and over again at the table. People make a very good living at it - it's just boring as hell. MTTs and cash are more interesting to play.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
but it is it is it is!Chill. And apologies for coming across like an arrogant twat (I'm good at that.
This is a thread where we post hands and discuss them. I liked your flop bet, I liked your turn bet, but your river bet put your entire stack at risk for no possible gain - knowing when to value bet the river is a really important bit of poker, so it's worth commenting on and explaining the reasoning. That's the point of this thread.
Realising that it was 5-handed, I don't hate the UTG raise with K9s, but in a sit and go on level 1 it's not great. ...
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
What are you achieving with the minraise? It's not going to get anyone to fold a hand they'd otherwise have limped with, especially not once someone else has entered the pot. You're giving the blinds massive odds. You're building a big pot with a weak hand where you may well be out of position post-flop. If they know you're aggressive, they should call even if they're certain that you have Aces, because they will stack you if they hit hard enough. Like a 4 or a 5 would have done in the hand you posted.
Even a proper raise is tricky. If you get called, you have a hand that is almost certainly behind - people don't (shouldn't) call raises with weaker hands than K9s. You're UTG, so you may well be out of position to a caller, making it even harder to play post-flop. If you hit a K you have a shit kicker. Being suited is only worth +5% equity, and drawing to a flush is more likely to kill your stack than build it. So you really don't want any callers, and the only reason to raise that hand there is to steal the blinds. And they're only 30 chips. So why bother?
Even a proper raise is tricky. If you get called, you have a hand that is almost certainly behind - people don't (shouldn't) call raises with weaker hands than K9s. You're UTG, so you may well be out of position to a caller, making it even harder to play post-flop. If you hit a K you have a shit kicker. Being suited is only worth +5% equity, and drawing to a flush is more likely to kill your stack than build it. So you really don't want any callers, and the only reason to raise that hand there is to steal the blinds. And they're only 30 chips. So why bother?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I am Spock.
fractionMan
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I'm with ymu on this one
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Cool.I'm with ymu on this one
So you are also stating that the opponent(s) had of 4 hands as ymu did?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I was talking about the pre-flop minraise. You got called in two spots.
fractionMan
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The only bit of the hand that is really bad is the UTG minraise, for the reasons ymu gave.
Re the hand, I don't think it's a great river to triple barrel. You're basically pushing somone off a chop and I can't see anyone turning up on that river with a hand you chop with.
They may have folded a small pocket pair, 66-88, or 67. Almost everything else that came to the river was calling imo, unless the villain was retarded and had somehow got there with A high (with or without flush draw)
