United States - voters turn to openly socialist electoral candidates

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by dennisr, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. dennisr

    dennisr the acceptable face

    It seems that the once 'beyond the pale' idea of "socialism" is getting a bit of an echo now in the US:

    Richard Conlin (Dwemocrat) - 44252 / 53.56%
    Kshama Sawant (Socialist Alternative) - 38116 / 46.13%

    Both Kshama (in Seatle) and Ty Moore (37% first preference votes) in Minneapolis are giving the establishment quite a run for their money - raising some central questions that are getting a real echo - around the living wage, fighting repossesion of houses etc in the process, which will build the post-electoral work.

    Yesterday was the 158th anniversary of the birth of Eugene Debs, the labor activist, founding member of the Wobblies, and five-time Socialist Party candidate for President of the United States (his last run from a prison cell, where he was serving a 10-year sentence for speaking out against World War I). In 1912, Debs hauled in 6 percent of the popular vote. As a Socialist. It been a long time since such a result...

    More info here:
    Sawant’s Big Night Ends In Likely Electoral Defeat, High Hopes for Future
    http://www.seattleweekly.com/home/949712-129/sawant-campaign-hour-percent-seattle-conlin
    Seattle’s ‘Another World Is Both Possible and Necessary’ Campaign
    http://www.thenation.com/blog/176972/seattles-another-world-both-possible-and-necessary-campaign#

    Kshama Sawant: 
Return of the Alternative
    http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/kshama-sawant-return-of-the-alternative/Content?oid=18085005
     
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  2. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    There does seem to be a subtle shift in the political culture. The 15th state just ratified marriage equality. It looks like the 16th isn't far behind (Hawaii).

    If you look at the election yesterday in Virginia, it seems to be a rejection of the Tea Party:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24838385

    Even in New Jersey, where they retained Gov. Christie, it seems that they're shifting a little more left.
     
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  3. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

    for mayor i voted SWP. why not. he got 721 votes out of approx. 1,010,000 cast. it's something.
     
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  4. dennisr

    dennisr the acceptable face

    Update:
    "The new ballot count at 8:30pm Wednesday has Sawant ahead of Conlin: Sawant 50.32% (3,385 votes) to Conlin 49.68% (3,342 votes).
    The new overall total is: Conlin 52.81% (55,543 votes) to Sawant 46.93% (49,363 votes). As we said, the remaining votes will trend our way. Half of ballots remain to be counted according to projections from King County Elections."

    The final figure is put out on the 26th i think

    Comment from Socialist Alternative: http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article10.php?id=2226
    Comment from The Stranger: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/11/06/how-kshama-sawant-won-last-nights-election
    Socialists made strong showing on election day: http://www.msnbc.com/all/here-come-the-socialists
     
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  5. dennisr

    dennisr the acceptable face

    american swp? - maybe they don't know how to raise socialist ideas that get an echo?
     
  6. What race is this?

    Eta: my guess is that whether or not there is a broader shift in US politics towards a more progressive stance that local successes for socialist candidates are more likely to a result of long term local capacity building around bread and butter issues and that it is the Democrats who are the beneficiaries in any meaningful sense of a shift.

    It would be interesting to see previous election results for SA in the same races.
     
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  7. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    Seattle City Council
     
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  8. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    Washington State is a bit different from much of the country: marijuana can be purchased in stores there legally.
     
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    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

  10. dennisr

    dennisr the acceptable face


    As the article points out - the electoral campaign is being used to build movements the democrats want nothing to do with such as the housing justice campaign (Occupy Homes Minnesota) and the campaign for a decent living wage. At the same time it has been used to split the Labour movement from the democrats. So I disagree that it is the democrats who gain.

    The Seattle election is a large increase on Sawant's previous result - once she was established as a credible candidate
     
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  11. dennisr

    dennisr the acceptable face

    Different in that it has some of the world's largest high-tech companies?

    How about Minneapolis whats exceptional about that? What makes it it so especially liberal in its outlook?
     
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    dennisr the acceptable face

  13. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

  14. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    Not sure about Minneapolis. I only know about Washington because I live next door.
     
  15. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    Washingtons not the only state to have totally legalised mary jane.

    And if the docus I've been watching bear any relation to reality, those states where its licensed as a medicine, well the doctor is handing out scripts for ailments as minor as 'unspecified back pain'
     
  16. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    True: Colorado has as well.
     
  17. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    That's the way it works here. You see a doctor for your back pain, and one gets a marijuana licence.
     
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  18. dennisr

    dennisr the acceptable face

    I guess this is the key thing about these results - the underlying trend it shows:

    "Rooted in the Great Recession and the shallow economic recovery, there is a tremendous distrust of the political establishment, which fuelled both campaigns. The government shutdown also stoked a popular rage that allowed the socialist campaigns to strike a real chord with working people. During the government shutdown, the approval rating for Congress slumped to a historic low of 5%. In a Gallup poll, a record-high 60% said that a new party was needed in the US, and a record low of only 26% said the two parties were doing an adequate job."


    From this article:
    Socialist Alternative election campaigns create shock waves
    http://www.socialistworld.net/doc/6546
     
  19. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    I think it has to do with changing demographics. The "old white guy" vote is becoming a smaller portion of the voter base. Younger people, minorities, and women are more comfortable with the "S" word.
     
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  20. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    Then who's voting for all them Tea Party whackjobs?
     
  21. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    Tea Party politicians are a fraction of the Republican vote, which itself represents a small amount of total votes. They're only able to cause shit because there is a Republican majority in the House and they number enough within that majority that when voting as a bloc they fuck everything up.

    Their influence is greater than their vote count justifies.
     
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  22. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/house-candidates-votes_n_2096978.html
    That's just under half of votes cast in 2012.

    http://thehill.com/opinion/mark-mellman/189359-digging-into-the-tea-party
     
  23. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Old white guys. While diminishing as a percentage of the population, there's still enough of that demographic to get the Tea Party votes. I think that shifting in demographics is one of the reasons that politics has become so contentious. Change scares people.
     
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  24. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    One of the most gratifying things for me as concerns recent American politics, is the fact that Obama got re-elected. The first election was a landmark; the second spoke volumes about a change in the American electoral landscape. A black man was elected in the first; a man was re-elected in the second.

    ...even though the old white men of the Republican Party threw everything at him that their hate and vileness could conjure.
     
  25. Brubricker

    Brubricker --------------------

    That, plus their candidate was shit.
     
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  26. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    is that really a socialist thing though...boris and disco dave are all for it . I wouldnt class it as socialist just because conservatives oppose it, neo liberals would be all for it as well .
     
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  27. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    again, dont see the remotest link between that and any form of socialism . Neo liberal fops and dilettantes could well be the factor at play .
     
  28. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    well his lies certainly werent as convincing as the other no good capitalist imperialist warmongering cunts were.
     
  29. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    wasn't making the link, just saying. Just because your a grizzled old veteran of the republican cause who has that attitude to drugs that belongs in the 70s doesn't mean the rest of us can't enjoy a spliff.

    Seriously- everyone had a meeting in the 90s and decided that cannabis was ok now. Fair nuff the crack and smack is a negative thing and when used as a weapon on w/c communities becomes real poison. But mary jane is ok. The memo went round
     
  30. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

    i sent the memo back with a mass card and bullet attached
     
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