Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by isvicthere?, Mar 22, 2017.
Corrected for some of the more "enthusiastic remainers that I know.
The trouble with your last couple of posts is that these sort of unfounded and illogical accusations make zero contribution to any debate or discussion about Brexit and post Brexit. I was in a bar last week talking to some elderly bloke from Hull , a Tory through and through who came out with similar toss about Brown and Blair ,two people who I have little time for but at least let them be judged on what they did rather than rather than something made up. I can't stand Farage but again I would want to argue on the basis of facts rather than fiction.
Crime and unemployment were both lower in the 50s.
I am interested in what aspect of the No campaign was a no darkies dog whistle campaign.
If I remember correctly both sides campaigned noticeably but not singularly on reducing immigration.
YES believed FRONTEX and the EU was the way to go, NO believed in a UK approach.
Yes, Reasoned argument with no dog whistle racism in the leave campaign:
One view of the march and its speakers
The liberal delusion: why fighting Brexit is a bad idea
Sneery "remoaner" rubbish by a radical folk promoter.
I think we had two keyboard monkeys that blew in that were parroting the lines of the official leave campaigns - they got short shift from all sides here. I didn't condone that campaign then, don't see why you'd think I would now.
It would be nice to actually talk about the things we actually did raise here.
I wish we could mobilise as many people these days out onto the street to fight capitalism, or to attack Labour joining in with the Tories to sell off social housing and privatise public assets, y'know, rather than defending a neoliberal superstate.
You're not seriously doing whataboutery here are you?
Never been into folk myself but that's the first time I have seen anything on the speakers. So the campaigns aim is to go for a second referendum ( third if you count the original ) after A30 which presumably would require a government sympathetic to the idea of a further referendum?
I would never think you, or any other longtime poster would condone this. It was one tactic of the leave campaign though and that must not be airbrushed away. I read the argument from 39 steps as being that 'this sort of campaign never happened'. I was just reminding them that it did.
There is a rational Lexit argument, and I can see some merits in it, even if I don't support it. However, both sides need to acknowledge that some people voted out because they don't like foreigners... most leave voters aren't racists. But almost all racists voted leave.
Ok what is it?
I'm not sure I count as Lexit crew, I favoured a business friendly gradual withdrawal (people need jobs.). But I'd willing conceed those points :some people voted out because they don't like foreigners, and that while most leave voters aren't racists, almost all racists voted out.
That,that element pretty much seized the campaign is more than unfortunate, as its leading to the most choppy form of Brexit and that's bad news. But what I'm not seeing from the remainers is an acceptance that not only were things far from a bed of roses we were well on the way to being fucked QMV coming in all over the shop where the EUrozone could dictate.. a 'democratically elected' Head of Commission that never even bothered with the UK... limited input to EUropean crises that would hurt us all the same....the writing was on the wall. A different campaign, and I think that would be clearer or rather I hope it would, as is even this at over 140 characters would probably garner TL;DR 's
Not wanting to spoil a decent thread, but wormtounge (clegg, if you like) was giving it large on QT earlier, this is the same twat who stood four square with the tories in delivering us the austerity regime!?
If his party hadn't been wiped out and were still part of a Tory 'coalition' does any bugger doubt they would now be selling us the benefits of Brexit?
Fuckin two faced twat.
No keying on his motor?
Buggerinell, must have been quite the 'passive' demonstration
Very shortly, to be 'none of our business'
Who are they?
The lovely pro-EU Fortress Europe non dog whistle campaign.
Cameron on Turkey
What is the intention in saying this if not to suggest that all leave voters supported a racist position? I cannot see anything else to be gained from it. You can't both say it and not say it.
Any calls for Corbyn to resign at this one?
someone needs to tell them not to worry and that our place in Eurovision is safe
You disagree with her point?
To be fair it is one of the most pointless points a person can make. Much beloved by the right too, find any article about a protest or campaign and amongst the top comments will be rampant whataboutary. Just a bit superfluous to be honest.
No it isn't. It illustrates what people can be arsed to mobilise for and it's fucking depressing.
So? What follows from that? Do you think it's a revelation to anyone on these boards that anti-capitalism protests aren't as big as they should be? Or that not enough people are involved in campaigning for social housing? It's a pointless point because it adds nothing beyond minor grumbling that's been offered a million times before.
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