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unite for europe march, saturday 25/03/2017

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by isvicthere?, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    As well as being offensive that's nowhere near as clever as he thinks it is. Hopefully Latin will be compulsory in the new grammar schools.
     
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  2. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    I went and I think the number of BME people I saw was less than 20.
     
  3. toblerone3

    toblerone3 Grrrrr

    I went on the March with my cousins and girlfriend. My favourite placard which had a charming sense of self-awareness about the middle classness of it all was "I am really quite cross"
     
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  4. ferrelhadley

    ferrelhadley These violent delights have violent ends.

    Like most other big demos then.

    Ashcroft Polls suggests
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/How-the-UK-voted-Full-tables-1.pdf
    32% of BAME voters who voted did so for Brexit and this drops to 27% for those identifying as "Black". (Page 10).
    81% of people who identified multiculturalism as "ill" for Britain voted leave.
    74% of those who identified feminism as "ill" for Britain voted leave.

    Attacking remain as the "white" option is a rather "bold" angle. One that will likely have little traction beyond Urban 75 and perhaps the Telegraph.
     
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    abandoned .
     
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  6. Wilf

    Wilf Tots els coperos són bastards

    Must admit I'm always shocked to hear the numbers on these demos, regardless if it was 40k or more. I heard a good bit of moaning from many of the middle class people I know at the time (I work at a university) - and that goes on if you were to ask people about brexit. But I don't think I've met a single person who is any way active in terms of resisting it, or would be anywhere near going on a demo about it.

    I'm not having a go at anybody who went, by the way, just curious as to who is going and why. Presumably the Libdems having been doing what passes for 'mobilising' but the numbers involved go beyond that. :confused:
     
  7. seemed to be lots of Brits with EU partners going along from what I could see. There were a couple of other groups handing out leaflets- movement for justice were hanging about.All very nice . I was told off by a copper for telling a Bently 4x4 driver to fuck off when he kicked off about the scum who were blocking his route out of the Hilton on Park Lane, Thats was about the height of the disorder.
     
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  8. YouSir

    YouSir Look out Laika, it's Earth.

    I can understand people voting Remain, I can understand them protesting now but it's hard not to be disgusted by people who stand side by side with Lib Dems having a go at everyone else about the potential damage of Brexit. Just highlights the fact that some of these people are completely convinced that before the Leave vote the world was a perfect, happy place where nothing bad ever happened and no one was poor, racist or being fucked over. Gah.
     
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  9. The39thStep

    The39thStep Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?

    And now not even a whisper of how or why the EU should be reformed,apparantly for them it's a perfect little world with no consideration for the European working class.Of course if Le Pen was to get in ( unlikely but the level of support and the reason for support is going to be challenging reading) that would pull the rug from right underneath them.
     
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  10. toblerone3

    toblerone3 Grrrrr

    That is unfair. "some of these people are..." is a phrase that could be applied to those that voted for 'Leave' with the following words being "...xenophobic racist fucks". I voted remain but I was not and am still not blind to the negative side of the EU structures and the need for reform. I think we have got a better chance of progress within the EU than out.
     
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  11. YouSir

    YouSir Look out Laika, it's Earth.

    Yes, it could and it would be unfair if I'd have said 'all' and not 'some of'.
     
  12. Bun

    Bun Respect My Privilege!

    The only demo I have been on without bloody Socialist Worker sellers. Which was nice.
     
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  13. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Where's the march for this reform then?
     
  14. J Ed

    J Ed besieging the vampire castle

    Wow, even the SWP are politically savvy enough to get that attending would be a bad idea.
     
  15. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    They had a massive one on the 18th - an anti-brexit demo organised largely by a party that aggressively supported brexit.
     
  16. phillm

    phillm Trolling through Life (TM)

    Just like Glastonbury then ......
     
  17. mather

    mather Well-Known Member

    Lol, what a bunch of clowns!
     
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  18. toblerone3

    toblerone3 Grrrrr

    I agree that the EU needed and still needs to become more democratically accountable, but the technocratic/bureaucratic nature of it makes it difficult to find issues that are binary enough, with a clear enough solution, to stimulate a protest march.

    Whether or not protest marches are a good way of doing this, surely the EU should be able to change and reform itself in response to public pressure brought about by closer cooperation between civic society in its different member states. At the moment there is so much divide and rule between the different member states and bureaucratic complexity that the technocrats are not sufficiently open to democratic scrutiny. But to say that technocrats can never be pressured and reformed seems to be very defeatist.
     
  19. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Tell me, what are the examples of EU technocrats having their views changed by popular pressure. (Even typing that shows the problems)
     
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  20. gosub

    gosub ~#

    I remember hearing a lecture of the CFP discard scandal in 1996, it was still going on over 15 years later such is the ease of reform of EU. But there is reform. For example Juncker, first Head of the Commission to claim a democratic mandate,despite it being impossible to have voted for him or his party in this country, and of the 3 hustings debates he took part in, 1 was shown on UK tv...on UK Parliament. Such is reform.

    And the big crunch issues according to EUrobarometer, what to do about the EUro, and the immigration issues stemming from the carnage in Syria - we aren't in the EUro, nor in Schegen why would we have influence?
     
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  21. stethoscope

    stethoscope Well-Known Member

    I see.
     
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  22. redsquirrel

    redsquirrel This Machine Kills Progressives

    With LibDems instead, wonderful. For all the issues with the SWP it didn't introduce the bedroom tax, increase VAT and triple HE fees.
     
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  23. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    Best is the enemy of the good and all that. It's not the Current EU or a pan national socialist utopia, it's the current EU or Farrage and Rees Moggs wet dream of trade with the (white) commonwealth.

    It was nice to go on a march with no SWP. There were big gaps round the Lib Dems. I missed getting a photo of a woman with an orange Lib Dem sign that looked like a negative of a magnet with some iron filings...
     
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  24. The39thStep

    The39thStep Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?

    How white is the current EU compared to the ( white) commonwealth ?
     
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  25. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    Not white enough for Farrage and his ikl. I don't think they see Eastern or southern Europeans as being proper whiteies.

    Besides it's not the truth just their weird dreams of a 1950s that never was.
     
  26. The39thStep

    The39thStep Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?

    Can't say that I recall any Farage part of the Leave campaign stressing that proper whiteness was an issue tbh. You may be thinking about Hitler ?
     
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  27. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    No the entire 'no darkies' dog whistle campaign that people are now trying to pretend never happened.
     
  28. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    It didn't happen at all.
     
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  29. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Amazing what people can convince themselves of though.
     
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  30. Andrew Hertford

    Andrew Hertford Chocolate Jesus

    They've probably never seen an anarchist demo!
     
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