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Unite First Executive Council Elections: Anyone heard of any of these people?

Reply to Nightbreed: no evidence; good luck

Have you any evidence that that would be taken up by ordinary branch members?
I have tried setting up a branch elist on several occasions and it hasnt worked. Participation has been minimal. What makes you think online ballots would be well supported.

That's a fair point but it couldn't be worse than the turnout of say five in a branch of say a thousand to fill five posts. The secretary at my branch was quite busy trying to make the system work - trying to get info from the regional office about who was a member, writing to them for email addresses and so-on. We were doing mainly office jobs so everyone could get email.
The only difficulty was that it was all one-way communication. He wouldn't put detailed accounts online and he wouldn't take votes online.

Good luck with attempts at online branch work. Just giving information about minutes, names & faces, contact numbers, and where the money goes might interest people enough to keep their details up-to-date; maybe in an emergency they'll be more keen to get involved.
 
Voluntary Basis

Mortlake, I’m not sure the trade union movement can easily accommodate mavericks; and, Broad Left movements, from which ever union, most certainly cannot. Left activists who involve themselves in Movement activities do so mostly on a voluntary basis; they carry out these activities in between their work and social lives

Urbanblues: I'm interested because work places are so different. Are you saying that most of the broad left ticket get paid time for union duties from their employers, and that someone from the private or voluntary sector where this wouldn't be allowed is disadvantaged?

I'm trying to work out how it goes. There seems to be a broad left faction, a bunch trying to gain respectability for bizarre communist causes, and mavericks. It looks like the broad left get paid time to do this sort of thing?

This isn't one of the main points I want to make though.
Union democracy is a main point.
Union efficiency is a main point.
Any way of getting some kind of hustings for candidates would be good.
By the way - nobody has answered by questions earlier in the thread. Was it you who mentioned getting questions to candidates? Is there another way to ask them questions?
 
Urbanblues: I'm interested because work places are so different. Are you saying that most of the broad left ticket get paid time for union duties from their employers, and that someone from the private or voluntary sector where this wouldn't be allowed is disadvantaged?

Disadvantaged? How so?

Everyone has a right to join a trade union and if a majority vote for recognition in any workplace - voluntary, or private sector included - then facility time for any (not just the 'broad left') steward/representative is a right too.
 
Disadvantaged? How so?

Everyone has a right to join a trade union and if a majority vote for recognition in any workplace - voluntary, or private sector included - then facility time for any (not just the 'broad left') steward/representative is a right too.

MC5: I haven't looked-up the law but my hunch is that taking part in the General Executive Council isn't always done in paid time off for union duties. Maybe I misread the sense of Urbanblues post "Left activists who involve themselves in Movement activities do so mostly on a voluntary basis; they carry out these activities in between their work and social lives", and my hunch is that where unions are recognised, members can get some time off for rep work or a quarterly staff union members' meeting might be OK; attendence at General Executive Council meetings, a Sector Biennial Delegate Conference or even being a branch official in a branch that covers several employers would be in your own time, except at some very generous employers. Oh: here's the sort of thing I mean:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/TradeUnions/DG_10027556
 
Found this: the independent candidates are more polite about direct election

PRESS RELEASE FROM TGWU BRANCH 1/888
« H E » Rachael Webb :: email
posted Monday, 3 March 2008

"Rebel" Unite Candidates bid for union national General Executive Council (GEC)*

Three rebel union candidates may win places on the executive of Unite, the new union which combines the Transport and General Workers' Union and Amicus in protest at the "New Labour-type" leadership of the union.

The candidates, all life-long union activists, who describe themselves as "independent", are within striking distance of national success following big regional election wins. If elected, they are likely to be sharp critics of the two Joint-General Secretaries Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley's drift away from "lay-member democracy" in the new Unite union. The influential TGWU Truck Drivers' Branch (Branch 1/888) is supporting the 3 Candidates: Rachael Webb, Ian Lidbetter and Andy Erlam.

While each of the candidates is "fiercely independently-minded", they are all furious about what they see as the closing down of democracy and transparency in the union and last year's crucial executives' decision to back Gordon Brown for Labour Leader rather than the Left firebrand John McDonnell.

Union leaders are also secretly drawing up a new Rule Book which many fear will end members' democracy. Apparently, the new rules will not include an effective grievance procedure for members with a complaint about the union. The candidates are also challenging the informal "machines" called The Broad Left and the Amicus Unity Gazette" (AUG) which fix the elections, undermining genuine union democracy. The candidates are also backing members of the Swissport Branch*, 1,000 baggage handlers from Heathrow, who have been "badly let down by the union" in a scandal which has rumbled on from 7 years.

International lorry driver Rachael Webb, the women's candidate for London, the South East and Eastern England said:
"Most women members, apart from those with union careers, are still sidelined in the union. I want to see good socialist women running about half the union at every level in every region based on merit not on being patronized. I'm a woman working in a man's world - the road transport industry - so my decades of experience will be very useful, if elected. Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson, (once heroes of the Left), have both been huge disappointments in office."

Andy Erlam, Chair of the large Central London Branch said:
"The Unite union leaders increasingly make the important decisions, such as supporting Gordon Brown, behind closed doors. Debate is stifled and "slates" of candidates produced by self-styled informal leaders of the Left are like rabbits out of a hat. There is no discussion. The semi-clandestine Broad Left in the TGWU and the AUG in Amicus are as about democratic as the freemasons and about as progressive as Opus Dei. It's now time for political change."
Andy is London's candidate for the GEC.

Ian Lidbetter, another truck driver said:
"The average union member doesn't know how the union works or how to influence it. That suits the powers that be. Those members aren't stupid, they just haven't been encouraged to really own the union. There is a wealth of experience and power to utilize - that's my mission. Disabled members, including so many injured at work like myself, must be a real priority for the union. No-one else is taking up the challenge."

The three also said:
"The TGWU is a great union doing some great work, such as defending migrant workers. Unite will only be a great union if the members rise up and demand to be involved in all major decisions. This is our mission."

Further information:

Rachael Webb 07989 851602 rachael dot webb at bbnet dot ie

Ian Lidbetter: 07838 381998 iglidbetter at yahoo dot co dot uk

Andy Erlam 07518 743 007 or 07795 547033 or hm 01273 841827 andyerlam at yahoo dot co dot uk

Eugene Finlay (Swissport) 07985 800019 eugene dot finlay at yahoo dot co dot uk

Note to Editors.

  • The General Executive Council (GEC) is the top national ruling body of the TGWU Section of Unite with 40 seats.
  • 26 of the 40 seats are not being challenged with just one candidate.
  • The Amicus Section has an additional 40 seats. (Controversy surrounds Amicus candidates being disqualified).
  • The combined 80 seat Unite executive soon to be elected will probably run the union for the next 3 or more years.
  • Webb and Erlam are candidates for Region 1: London, the South East and Eastern England.
  • Lidbetter is a national candidate for truck drivers (Road Transport Commercial Trade Group).
  • Unite represents over 2½ millions workers. The national postal ballot for the GEC begins now (on Monday 3rd March and runs to 28th March). Ballot papers will be dropping on members' doorsteps at home this coming Monday.

----- ENDS -----
 
Urban Blues

I attended shop meetings, but I was working 12 hour days and under a lot of pressure. I doubt that another handful of people would want to commute to these meetings and be a sort of opposition.

PS Can I get in tough with candidates through the union central office?

Have you tried to get in touch?

Ring up your local office and enquire. Try Central office. Ask through the national officer /national sec. Phone numbers are on the website.

I had my ballot paper today.I am part of the RTC trade group . The three candidates standing are Ian Lidbitter, Tony Lewington and Dave Williams. In the letter was a leaflet on what each candidate is standing on, their experience and length of service in the union. I found it helpful.

Im voting for Dave Williams. I have met the guy and he is a good trade unionist.

What more do I need to do?
 
Brian Holmes, John Murphy, Lizanne Malone, John Fitzpatrick and Tom Cashman, the T&G Inner, Outer, Womens and BAEM Territorial candidates on the Broad Left ticket will most certainly visit Branches on invitation.

As you may be aware their constituencies run from scores of thousands to around 180,000 members. Therefore, expecting them to speak to individual members would be unrealistic, remembering they also fit in a days work in between electioneering.

The candidates on the Broad Left slate are each and every one of them part of a new Region 1 fighting back group. We’ve swept out the old Aitkenist machine; and, in its place is a new, vibrant and diverse Regional Committee.
 
I doubt it. You'd have more chance of handcuffing a ghost than getting anything out of him! A request has been posted on WorkersNews for a copy of the draft to be posted. Let's see if MM is forthcoming.

You in London on 13 April for the National BL, Belboid?
 
50/50 at the mo, I've been to a few, tho not over the last year or so, London is so bloody far away, I'll have to see if I can get a lift of Marty
 
Is he standing for a geographic seat or trade group?

Is there a Broad Left candidate in opposition to him? Are the Socialist Party involved in the Broad Left and if so, did Rob Williams try to win their backing at any stage?


He's standing for region 4 as far as I know.... ansd he got my vote. First time in a while I've been able to confidently vote for someone in the T&G. Sorry Unite.
 
He's standing for region 4 as far as I know.... ansd he got my vote. First time in a while I've been able to confidently vote for someone in the T&G. Sorry Unite.
Really; and, it's not as though we've had that many ballots in recent times. :)
 
I doubt it. You'd have more chance of handcuffing a ghost than getting anything out of him! A request has been posted on WorkersNews for a copy of the draft to be posted. Let's see if MM is forthcoming.

You in London on 13 April for the National BL, Belboid?

Im hoping to be going. I havent been since the one in Liverpool this time last year.
 
Mortlake, the T&G Unite Territorial GEC members for Region One are now:

Lizanne Malone - Women's Seat
John Fitzpatrick - BAEM Seat
Brian Holmes - Inner Territorial Seat
John Murphy - Inner Territorial Seat
Tom Cashman - Outer Territorial Seat

It's a clean sweep for Region 1's Broad Left.
 
I have heard that Dave Williams has won the RTC seat.

Yes, Dave won. Pat Oliver also won. Still, I think we'll see Rob Williams on the EC of Unite in the future.

Marty Mayer is like a cock with two dogs. Seems the GEC BL is now 36 to 4.

From my point of view, the main thing is we've dismissed the F4ers in Region 1; and, we've now a good fighting-back team of delegates on the GEC. Having recently won the Region 1 Committee, 25-5; and, taken all the places on the E&GP. Region 1 is finally rid of the last vestiges of the McDermott era. There are only two lonely Aitkenites left on the Regional Committee; two good trade unionists, who got in with the wrong crowd; and, Iggy giving his swan rant, before he retires.
 
Now lets see if the Broad Left-controlled new Unite NEC will prove more effective than their predecessors in T&G and Amicus have been at making sure the union fights for pro-trade unionist policies through the Labour Link.
 
Now lets see if the Broad Left-controlled new Unite NEC will prove more effective than their predecessors in T&G and Amicus have been at making sure the union fights for pro-trade unionist policies through the Labour Link.
Yes, let's. Although, I'm not too sure about the Amicus side of things; they only managed 23 out of 40; and, I'm very jittery about some of the 23.

GQ, are you Amicus, T&G or just an 'interested' party?
 
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